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\\\"Do you have a source on that Feige said that Loki was actually injured in TDW? Genuinely asking. I know that Hiddleston said that the death was initially planned to be real. I read the former on reddit too a while back but didn\\\\\\\'t get to ask the redditor back then for a source, but I did had that head canon myself.\\\"
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who should decide when to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once respect/acknowledge loki and his decision as a person/individual without the need to be validated or patronized by Thor’s way of thinking etc. This kind of behavior is what I called as “superiority” in relationship, and also, too self-centric to be “sincere love”. It’s more like delusion love Thor thinks he has, but actually doesn’t have it in his heart.
That’s why thor “love” for loki is never that big or sincere.
Anyway, for some irrelevant topic, the remark of \\\"despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki\\\" is kinda hypocrite. So, Thor \\\"doesn\\\'t\\\" have a crime and that\\\'s why he can judging loki\\\'s mercy for his crimes. Hey, remember the first movie about his confrontation with Jotun, and the punishment he get was a three-day vacation with an earth girl.
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who should decide when to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once respect/acknowledge loki and his decision as a person/individual without the need to be validated or patronized by Thor’s way of thinking etc. This kind of behavior is what I called as “superiority” in relationship, and also, too self-centric to be “sincere love”. It’s more like delusion love Thor thinks he has, but actually doesn’t have it in his heart.
That’s why thor “love” for loki is never that big or sincere.
Anyway, for some irrelevant topic, the remark of \\\"despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki\\\" is kinda hypocrite. So, Thor \\\"doesn\\\'t\\\" have a crime and that\\\'s why he can judging loki\\\'s mercy for his crimes. Hey, remember the first movie about his confrontation with Jotun, and the punishment he get was a three-day vacation with an earth girl.
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\\\"Do you have a source on that Feige said that Loki was actually injured in TDW? Genuinely asking. I know that Hiddleston said that the death was initially planned to be real. I read the former on reddit too a while back but didn\\\\\\\'t get to ask the redditor back then for a source, but I did had that head canon myself.\\\"
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who always should decide to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who always should decide to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once
Changed line(s) 3 from:
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to:
\\\"Do you have a source on that Feige said that Loki was actually injured in TDW? Genuinely asking. I know that Hiddleston said that the death was initially planned to be real. I read the former on reddit too a while back but didn\\\\\\\'t get to ask the redditor back then for a source, but I did had that head canon myself.\\\"
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who always should decide to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once respect/acknowledge loki and his decision as a person/individual without the need to be validated or patronized or judged by Thor’s way of thinking etc. This kind of behavior is what I called as “superiority” in relationship, and also, too self-centric to be “sincere love”. It’s more like delusion love Thor thinks he has, but actually doesn’t have it in his heart.
That’s why thor “love” for loki is never that big or sincere.
Yes, the source is in \\\"official explanation of loki\\\'s death in dark world\\\" video.
This is what Kevin Feige said: \\\"We think he\\\'s wounded, but it wasn\\\'t a death blow for the powerful asgardian\\\", which implied that he\\\'s probably really injured at that time, but he\\\'s not die yet.
“But Loki never truly wanted to be king. He was hurt because Thor was chosen over him by his father and because he was being lied to his entire life. Loki would take being treated during his upbringing by Odin the same was Odin treated Thor a 1000 times over being a king. Being a king was only a recompense for him, and even that didn\\\\\\\'t satisfy him because he wasn\\\\\\\'t allowed to be himself, he was ended up being totally bored. And considering that Loki usurped the throne, basically committing treason and no one has a problem with that anymore because Loki did something to redeem himself, I think it\\\\\\\'s safe to say that he got back in everyone\\\\\\\'s good graces, quite rightly. Even Heimdall is happy and grateful that he\\\\\\\'s back with help.”
Regarding Asgardians’s reactions and manners to Loki:
The reason why Loki hasn’t been in prison yet is because the situation making it kinda hard and those asgardians are in the brink of death, and the second reason is because loki is also played key part in the safety of them, so they’re kind of ignoring his treason.
So the conclusion of this part is that asgardians mostly neutral to him, not loving or validating him like what the writers of this tropes wrote in loki’s page.
As for the king part, I never said that Loki’s inner desire to be king, and yes, Loki’s inner desire isn’t to be king. But in the end of ragnarok, their relationship is still superior/inferior one, because of reasons:
1. Their relationship only validated by Thor’s terms. If Thor thinks that their relationship is already reconciled, then it’s already reconciled.
2. Loki still needs to be validated by Thor to be a good guy, remember thor’s words “you’re not so bad after all brother”. If loki’s the one who declare himself as right, it’s not valid and doesn’t matter (whether his status, both as prince and as criminal or king). But if thor already approve, then it’s valid.
To sums, in loki and thor’s relationship, Thor’s opinion and approval is the one that matters, why loki doesn’t have the right, and it’s the basic of superior/inferior relationship. And that’s what sums up the big part of their relationship, and by the end of Thor ragnarok, those things still never change.
In fact, your statement right here is proving this point of mine even further and this part is what I criticism heavily:
“Come on, that\\\\\\\'s really uncalled for, of course Thor is far from perfect and not exactly emotionally sensitive, but that doesn\\\\\\\'t mean that his love isn\\\\\\\'t sincere, why would he think that he loves his brother if he doesn\\\\\\\'t actually? Yeah, the \\\\\\\"martyr-level-love\\\\\\\" statement is exaggerated, but I think the biggest proof for his love is really that despite all his crimes, Thor eventually always forgives Loki, and why should he if he doesn\\\\\\\'t believe that there\\\\\\\'s still good in Loki, and why should believe that if he doesn\\\\\\\'t, to some extent, understand his motivations and that Loki isn\\\\\\\'t truly evil at heart?”
Thor thinks that he’s the one who always should decide to forgive loki, he thinks he has the right to decide it, Thor thinks that he get to decided whether there’s still “good” in loki or not, and he thinks he has the right to decide the “bad” and “good” in loki, he thinks he needs to validates loki’s kind/good guy/kindness or evil/bad guy/evilness without thinking that loki also get the right to validate himself or their relationship, or once respect/acknowledge loki and his decision as a person/individual without the need to be validated or patronized or judged by Thor’s way of thinking etc. This kind of behavior is what I called as “superiority” in relationship, and also, too self-centric to be “sincere love”. It’s more like delusion love Thor thinks he has, but actually doesn’t have it in his heart.
That’s why thor “love” for loki is never that big or sincere.
