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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t resolved and has just been left. Given that there are new entries since then that have issues, I\\\'m bringing the whole thing back here. Hopefully we can finalise a decision about Ozpin while we\\\'re at it.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom is therefore asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t resolved and has just been left. Given that there are new entries since then that have issues, I\\\'m bringing the whole thing back here. Hopefully we can finalise a decision about Ozpin while we\\\'re at it.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom is therefore asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t resolved and has just been left. Given that there are new entries since then that have issues, I\\\'m bringing the whole thing back here. Hopefully we can finalise a decision about Ozpin while we\\\'re at it.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t resolved and has just been left. Given that there are new entries since then that have issues, I\\\'m bringing the whole thing back here. Hopefully we can finalise a decision about Ozpin while we\\\'re at it.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t (the Is This An Example? didn\\\'t feel he was whereas this discussion page had mixed responses) and therefore needs to be resolved.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t (the Is This An Example? didn\\\'t feel he was whereas this discussion page had mixed responses) and therefore needs to be resolved.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If so, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him. If not, he needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t (the Is This An Example? didn\\\'t feel he was whereas this discussion page had mixed responses) and therefore needs to be resolved.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed (she was an easy one because there was a firm consensus) but Ozpin wasn\\\'t (the Is This An Example? didn\\\'t feel he was whereas this discussion page had mixed responses) and therefore needs to be resolved.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed but Ozpin wasn\\\'t.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed but Ozpin wasn\\\'t.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time (Qrow\\\'s faith, for instance). His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? Well, so do some characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
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Okay, I\\\'ve brought AlternativeCharacterInterpretation to the Discussion Page for clean-up.
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed but Ozpin wasn\\\'t.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time. His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? So do characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
There\\\'s a thread further down this page where one was attempted a couple of months ago. Ozpin and Raven were not regarded by the Is This An Example? thread as examples. It looks like Raven was removed but Ozpin wasn\\\'t.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Ozpin someone who does bad things for the right cause (whatever it may be) or a ManipulativeBastard who may or may not be completely evil? Raven treats her bird shapeshifting like a curse, leading many to believe that perhaps it was forced on her, yet Qrow confirms it was their choice. Was Raven just disillusioned with Ozpin and her hate seems to make her despise it, or is Qrow just deeply devoted to him? (After all, Qrow has shown to be very faithful to Ozpin). There are still a lot of fans that say his asking Pyrrha to become the Fall Maiden was a manipulative move, as he was essentially asking, \\\"Pyrrha, if you do decide to do this, you lose your identity. If you don\\\'t, the whole world is screwed.\\\" which would make her want to become the Maiden, as if she did not, she was essentially affecting the lives of many.
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Ozpin suffers from the problem that the Is This An Example? thread generally didn\\\'t feel he was an example back in October when it was discussed whereas the discussion page here couldn\\\'t reach agreement on whether or not he was. However, the new problem with his entry is that it quite simply hasn\\\'t stood the test of time. His entry is exactly the debate about him that exists in-universe. For example: some fans feel he was being manipulative to ask Pyrrha? So do characters in-universe. The fandom are therefore merely asking the questions that the show wants the fandom to be asking. There\\\'s nothing alternative here as a result. He needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** After much debate among the fandom, the true nature Pyrrha\\\'s HeroicSacrifice at the end of the third volume is rather ambiguous. Was her choice of fighting against [[DarkActionGirl Cinder Fall]] (who now has full power of the Fall Maiden), even though she knew it would be suicidal; out of her misguided ChronicHeroSyndrome or out of an unconscious form of [[{{Pride}} arrogance]] to prove her destiny as an incarnation of victory? (Given her character inspiration from Achilles believing of himself as [[InvincibleHero invincible]] due to his immortality, which later result in his death.)
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Pyrrha\\\'s entry isn\\\'t an example. If the fandom can\\\'t quite make up its mind what the show is telling us about her why she died, that\\\'s not this trope. That\\\'s the fandom being unsure what the canon is telling them and therefore interpreting ambiguity in different ways. It\\\'s only possible to have an \\\'alternative character interpretation\\\' is a definite canon default to create that alternative to. She needs to be removed.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Much of Adam Taurus\\\' character and behavior, due to his elusive nature, has been a subject of heavy debate. Was Adam truly a good person who [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope slowly became corrupted]] or was he always a [[CompleteMonster blood-hungry monster]] that simply stopped hiding it? Did Adam genuinely love Blake (And does he still, in his own extremely twisted fashion?) or did he simply view her as a possession and tool to manipulate and abuse? Does Adam [[WellIntentionedExtremist genuinely believe]] he\\\'s doing what is best for the Faunus or is he [[CardCarryingVillain aware]] of the negative impact his actions have on the Faunus and doesn\\\'t care? Did Adam always enjoy killing or did he develop a taste for it?
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'Adam\\\'s entry is worded like a bunch of hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions can be asked about any character, YMMV tropes should only be added if there really are sections of the fandom who interpret his character in a different way. Are there? If there, the entry needs to be rewritten to reflect how they interpret him.\\\'\\\'\\\'
** Episodes 5 & 6 of RWBY\\\'s sixth volume has most of the characters in such a HeroicBSOD that they consider giving up. The question is just how much of those moments from Ruby and the others in the Brunswick farm were genuine and how many were [[spoiler:just the Apathy fucking with their mind?]]
*** \\\'\\\'\\\'This is an easy remove. It\\\'s troping a group which shouldn\\\'t be done.\\\'\\\'\\\'
