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There’s an older duplicate of this page at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheInfiniteLoopsLoopsMLEs
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There’s an older duplicate of this page [[Characters/TheInfiniteLoopsLoopsMLEs]]
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There’s an older duplicate of this page at Characters/{{TheInfiniteLoopsLoopsMLEs}}
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Hmm, you're probably right. From [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13401353520A80460100&page=51#55]]
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Hmm, you\'re probably right. From [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13401353520A80460100&page=51#1255]]
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\"Folks, please stop proposing changes to the trope definition in this thread. That\'s not what it\'s for. We\'ll never get it cleaned up if we keep changing the definition.
This is not a universal or even near-universal trope. It\'s a trope that\'s a child of its time (primarily the 50\'s, 60\'s, and early 70\'s), and It \'\'(sic)\'\' is, frankly, very rarely used straight anymore. That\'s why The Chick must be female, and why she must be The Heart of the group. She doesn\'t have to be absolutely useless otherwise, but she is not expected, by the other team members, to be as useful physically or intellectually as the men. Yes, that\'s sexist. But that\'s what it is.
The purpose of the wiki isn\'t to whitewash tropes by redefining them to eliminate unpleasant aspects; it\'s to catalog what they are (or were, when they were in widespread use).\"
Sorry, that can\'t be (entirely) true for four reasons:
#OlderThanCableTV says the first example was from 1972.
#The original \'\'Franchise/StarWars\'\' trilogy, the wiki\'s favourite all-time example, is \'\'late\'\' 70s/early 80s. Also, do you consider Leia to be weaker than Luke, Han, Chewie, Threepio and Artoo?
#Just look around, there are plenty of more recent examples of this trope (some of them match the gender ratios, others don\'t). However...
#Currently, TheChick must be female, and there must be at most one other female on the team, and she must be the emotional centre of the team. But there\'s no requirement for her to be weaker than the other members, and as I said, she need not be the only female character.
I mean, if a group of characters that operated as a team had, say, six members and only two fit the FiveManBand roles, I\'m fine with it being a non-FiveManBand TheTeam. If a group fits perfectly except for the gender requirements...I\'m not so sure.
I have doubts about making two separate tropes, however. Maybe just use the broadened definition for FiveManBand and mention the more specific definition.
Finally, I see TheTeam as more a supertrope of FiveManBand than a dumping ground for shoehorned examples of the latter (not all of which even operate as a team), even if those are functionally the same thing.
This is not a universal or even near-universal trope. It\'s a trope that\'s a child of its time (primarily the 50\'s, 60\'s, and early 70\'s), and It \'\'(sic)\'\' is, frankly, very rarely used straight anymore. That\'s why The Chick must be female, and why she must be The Heart of the group. She doesn\'t have to be absolutely useless otherwise, but she is not expected, by the other team members, to be as useful physically or intellectually as the men. Yes, that\'s sexist. But that\'s what it is.
The purpose of the wiki isn\'t to whitewash tropes by redefining them to eliminate unpleasant aspects; it\'s to catalog what they are (or were, when they were in widespread use).\"
Sorry, that can\'t be (entirely) true for four reasons:
#OlderThanCableTV says the first example was from 1972.
#The original \'\'Franchise/StarWars\'\' trilogy, the wiki\'s favourite all-time example, is \'\'late\'\' 70s/early 80s. Also, do you consider Leia to be weaker than Luke, Han, Chewie, Threepio and Artoo?
#Just look around, there are plenty of more recent examples of this trope (some of them match the gender ratios, others don\'t). However...
#Currently, TheChick must be female, and there must be at most one other female on the team, and she must be the emotional centre of the team. But there\'s no requirement for her to be weaker than the other members, and as I said, she need not be the only female character.
I mean, if a group of characters that operated as a team had, say, six members and only two fit the FiveManBand roles, I\'m fine with it being a non-FiveManBand TheTeam. If a group fits perfectly except for the gender requirements...I\'m not so sure.
I have doubts about making two separate tropes, however. Maybe just use the broadened definition for FiveManBand and mention the more specific definition.
Finally, I see TheTeam as more a supertrope of FiveManBand than a dumping ground for shoehorned examples of the latter (not all of which even operate as a team), even if those are functionally the same thing.
