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I recently altered the BadassDecay example to point out it was more of a subversion of the trope because the disparity of Peter's performance between ''Civil War'' and ''Homecoming'' is not as big as it appears primarily because the ''Civil War'' opponents were not actively trying to harm or kill him.
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I recently altered the BadassDecay example to point out it was more of a subversion of the trope because the disparity of Peter\'s performance between \'\'Civil War\'\' and \'\'Homecoming\'\' is not as big as it appears primarily because the \'\'Civil War\'\' opponents were not actively trying to harm or kill him.
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My entire addition was removed with the edit reason \'\'\"Spiderman was clearly humiliating Bucky and Falcon, the fact that he apparently can not with either of them is a retcon\"\'\' which I don\'t feel is accurate or supported by the movie and want to have my additions restored.
In \'\'Civil War\'\' Spider-Man is portrayed as follows:
1) He is shown to be stronger and more agile than most of the Avengers present. T\'Challa may be close in agility and Iron Man/Warmachine/Vision may be comparable in strength but until Spider-Man engages directly with them, we\'ll never know for sure.
2) Spidey lacks any real fighting experience which is why Stark\'s instructions were to \"keep your distance, web them up\". During his melees with Bucky/Falcon and Captain America, Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility. However, once Spidey\'s opponent adapts for his abilities, they are able to regain the advantage.
3) The entire fight shows that (except for T\'Challa) both sides are only fighting to subdue, they are pulling their punches to try and avoid doing permanent harm to their opponent. Even in the Bucky/Falcon melee, they are both trying to escape and evade more than engage which gives Spidey the advantage because Bucky/Falcon\'s attention is divided.
4) In the Captain America melee, again Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility. In the direct \"tug-of-war\" he has with Cap (timecode 1:36:40), Spidey is shown to be stronger than Cap. However, once Cap analyzes Spidey\'s fighting ability and starts fighting tactically, he counters every attack Spidey makes and is in complete control of the remainder of the fight.
5) Spidey\'s track record in \'\'Civil War\'\' is nothing outstanding. He fails to capture any of the opponents he engages with and by the end he is badly shaken by a glancing blow from Giant-Man and has to sit out the rest of the fight.
In \'\'Homecoming\'\' Spider-Man is portrayed as:
1) Naive, over-anxious and rushing into situations without having a plan.
2) Facing his first super-villain who has no reservations with trying to harm or kill him.
3) Lacking in experience and so relies upon his superior strength and agility to win. Every time his opponent unveils something (technology, ability to fly, element of surprise, etc) that counters Spidey\'s strength/agility, he has to struggle to come up with a way to defeat his opponent and thus often fails.
4) The portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is pretty consistent between these two films. So when Stark points out that \"if Cap wanted to lay you out, he would have\" it\'s not a retcon but an accurate assessment of Spidey at this early point in his superhero career.
In \'\'Civil War\'\' Spider-Man is portrayed as follows:
1) He is shown to be stronger and more agile than most of the Avengers present. T\'Challa may be close in agility and Iron Man/Warmachine/Vision may be comparable in strength but until Spider-Man engages directly with them, we\'ll never know for sure.
2) Spidey lacks any real fighting experience which is why Stark\'s instructions were to \"keep your distance, web them up\". During his melees with Bucky/Falcon and Captain America, Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility. However, once Spidey\'s opponent adapts for his abilities, they are able to regain the advantage.
3) The entire fight shows that (except for T\'Challa) both sides are only fighting to subdue, they are pulling their punches to try and avoid doing permanent harm to their opponent. Even in the Bucky/Falcon melee, they are both trying to escape and evade more than engage which gives Spidey the advantage because Bucky/Falcon\'s attention is divided.
4) In the Captain America melee, again Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility. In the direct \"tug-of-war\" he has with Cap (timecode 1:36:40), Spidey is shown to be stronger than Cap. However, once Cap analyzes Spidey\'s fighting ability and starts fighting tactically, he counters every attack Spidey makes and is in complete control of the remainder of the fight.
5) Spidey\'s track record in \'\'Civil War\'\' is nothing outstanding. He fails to capture any of the opponents he engages with and by the end he is badly shaken by a glancing blow from Giant-Man and has to sit out the rest of the fight.
In \'\'Homecoming\'\' Spider-Man is portrayed as:
1) Naive, over-anxious and rushing into situations without having a plan.
2) Facing his first super-villain who has no reservations with trying to harm or kill him.
3) Lacking in experience and so relies upon his superior strength and agility to win. Every time his opponent unveils something (technology, ability to fly, element of surprise, etc) that counters Spidey\'s strength/agility, he has to struggle to come up with a way to defeat his opponent and thus often fails.
4) The portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is pretty consistent between these two films. So when Stark points out that \"if Cap wanted to lay you out, he would have\" it\'s not a retcon but an accurate assessment of Spidey at this early point in his superhero career.
