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[008] Oransel Current Version

14th Jan '18 at 09:30:38 AM

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Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let's look at these points closer:

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Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let\'s look at these points closer:

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* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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In conclusion, it is not that I am absolutely convinced that he should not be an example (I am on the fence, leaning towards NotAnExample) but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

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In conclusion, it is not that I am absolutely convinced that he should not be an example (I am on the fence, leaning towards NotAnExample at the moment) but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

[007] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:23:32 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let's look at these points closer:

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Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let\'s look at these points closer:

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

Changed line(s) 15 from:

In conclusion, it is not that I am absolutely convinced that he should not be an example (I am on the fence) but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

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[006] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:22:25 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let's look at these points closer:

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Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let\'s look at these points closer:

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* This is by far the most serious valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.

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* This is by far the most serious and valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

[005] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:22:09 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let's look at these points closer:

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Sure, he is clearly a villain, but let\'s look at these points closer:

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

[004] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:19:01 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let's look at these points closer:

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Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let\'s look at these points closer:

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

to:

* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

Changed line(s) 15 from:

In conclusion, it is not that I am absolutely convinced that he should not be an example (I am on the fence) but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera (sadistic rapist, drug dealer and a murderer) and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

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[003] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:18:49 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let's look at these points closer:

to:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let\'s look at these points closer:

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

to:

* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

Changed line(s) 15 from:

In conclusion, it is not that I am 100% convinced that he should not be an example, but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera (sadistic rapist, drug dealer and a murderer) and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

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In conclusion, it is not that I am absolutely convinced that he should not be an example (I am on the fence) but more that there are characters in the show that deserve the spot far more than him, like Vera (sadistic rapist, drug dealer and a murderer) and Tyrell. Why Irving, who provided administrative assistance, takes the blame for the bombings while Tyrell, who personally planned them for selfish gain, does not, is a mystery.

[002] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:14:44 AM

Changed line(s) 9 from:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let's look at these points closer:

to:

Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let\'s look at these points closer:

Changed line(s) 11 from:

* This is by far the most serious and valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.

to:

* This is by far the most serious valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.

Changed line(s) 13 from:

* I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

to:

* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

[001] Oransel

14th Jan '18 at 09:14:03 AM

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Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let's look at these points closer:
1) Everyone manipulates everyone in this series. Angela, Tyrell, Heyworth, Price, Joanna, Mr Robot, Elliot himself are all guilty of that.
2) This is by far the most serious and valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.
3) Santiago endangered the whole operation and proved to be incompetent. Yes, the murder is brutal but that does not make it monstrous, especially since it was quick. By the same logic Darth Vader is an irredeemable monster too.
4) I personally didn't see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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Sure, he is clearly a villain and , but let\'s look at these points closer:
* Everyone manipulates everyone in this series. Angela, Tyrell, Heyworth, Price, Joanna, Mr Robot, Elliot himself are all guilty of that.
* This is by far the most serious and valid point. My main issue with it is that if Irving gets to be put on the list, so should Tyrell, Grant and everyone, who was involved.
* Santiago endangered the whole operation and proved to be incompetent. Yes, the murder is brutal but that does not make it monstrous, especially since it was quick. By the same logic Darth Vader is an irredeemable monster too.
* I personally didn\'t see him actively enjoying the process or doing it for sadistic pleasure. It seems to be a routine way of doing business in the Dark Army.

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