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[005] BroTim11 Current Version
14th Aug '16 at 04:03:47 PM
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn't want them to do so he could've easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as he was a Trotskyist and that is a subset of Marxism).
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn\'t want them to do so he could\'ve easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as he was a Trotskyist and that is a subset of Marxism).
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I have researched Stalin's anti-semitism and the Doctor's Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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I have researched Stalin\'s anti-semitism and the Doctor\'s Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words;
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words; \"Khruschev had to mount a new anti-religious campaign to get them back down to acceptable numbers...\" That could sound like you imply either that too many Russian Orthodox Christians is a bad thing or that to reduce the numbers through KILLING AND/OR PROPAGANDA CONTAINING MOSTLY SLANDEROUS LIES was something to be endorsed; I am not accusing you of this, for all I know you may or may not have those sentiments, I am just seeking to point out your word choice and the possible implications to avoid any problems.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler was not intended to be a parlour game on my part, it is a summation of the facts and my opinions on both men. Though they both made accomplishments, they were both tyrants responsible for the deaths of millions. All of those political and legal \"real-world consequences\" from comparing the two sound like a lot of political and legal maneuvering possibly devoid of justice or morality, an international BlameGame. On all sides of World War 2 there were those who did good and those who did evil. Due to these possible consequences I shall let that matter rest for now.

MAI742 I realize and acknowledge that Stalin did not attempt a genocide of the Jews. You have evaded my question when I asked your opinion of Stalin. The fact that you accuse Stalin of being demonized is telling, indicating you hold a level of support towards him and/or his ideals. Were this true I would strongly disagree with you. To keep this discussion civil I will close with the following; Stalin and Hilter had several things in common and despite whatever positive accomplishments they may have made both were tyrants with the blood of millions on their hands and neither should be defended or have excuses made for them.
[004] BroTim11
14th Aug '16 at 04:02:37 PM
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn't want them to do so he could've easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as he was a Trotskyist and that is a subset of Marxism).
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn\'t want them to do so he could\'ve easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as he was a Trotskyist and that is a subset of Marxism).
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I have researched Stalin's anti-semitism and the Doctor's Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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I have researched Stalin\'s anti-semitism and the Doctor\'s Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words;
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words; \"Khruschev had to mount a new anti-religious campaign to get them back down to acceptable numbers...\" That could sound like you imply either that too many Russian Orthodox Christians is a bad thing or that to reduce the numbers through KILLING AND/OR PROPAGANDA CONTAINING MOSTLY SLANDEROUS LIES was something to be endorsed; I am not accusing you of this, for all I know you may or may not have those sentiments, I am just seeking to point out your word choice and the possible implications to avoid any problems.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler was not intended to be a parlour game on my part, it is a summation of the facts and my opinions on both men. Though they both made accomplishments, they were both tyrants responsible for the deaths of millions. All of those political and legal \"real-world consequences\" from comparing the two sound like a lot of political and legal maneuvering possibly devoid of justice or morality, an international version of TheBlameGame. On all sides of World War 2 there were those who did good and those who did evil. Due to these possible consequences I shall let that matter rest for now.

MAI742 I realize and acknowledge that Stalin did not attempt a genocide of the Jews. You have evaded my question when I asked your opinion of Stalin. The fact that you accuse Stalin of being demonized is telling, indicating you hold a level of support towards him and/or his ideals. Were this true I would strongly disagree with you. To keep this discussion civil I will close with the following; Stalin and Hilter had several things in common and despite whatever positive accomplishments they may have made both were tyrants with the blood of millions on their hands and neither should be defended or have excuses made for them.
[003] BroTim11
14th Aug '16 at 04:01:51 PM
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn't want them to do so he could've easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as Trotskyism is a subset of Marxism).
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn\'t want them to do so he could\'ve easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as he was a Trotskyist and that is a subset of Marxism).
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I have researched Stalin's anti-semitism and the Doctor's Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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I have researched Stalin\'s anti-semitism and the Doctor\'s Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words;
to:
Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words; \"Khruschev had to mount a new anti-religious campaign to get them back down to acceptable numbers...\" That could sound like you imply either that too many Russian Orthodox Christians is a bad thing or that to reduce the numbers through KILLING AND/OR PROPAGANDA CONTAINING MOSTLY SLANDEROUS LIES was something to be endorsed; I am not accusing you of this, for all I know you may or may not have those sentiments, I am just seeking to point out your word choice and the possible implications to avoid any problems.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler was not intended to be a parlour game on my part, it is a summation of the facts and my opinions on both men. Though they both made accomplishments, they were both tyrants responsible for the deaths of millions. All of those political and legal \"real-world consequences\" from comparing the two sound like a lot of political and legal maneuvering possibly devoid of justice or morality. On all sides of World War 2 there were those who did good and those who did evil. Due to these possible consequences I shall let that matter rest for now.

MAI742 I realize and acknowledge that Stalin did not attempt a genocide of the Jews. You have evaded my question when I asked your opinion of Stalin. The fact that you accuse Stalin of being demonized is telling, indicating you hold a level of support towards him and/or his ideals. Were this true I would strongly disagree with you. To keep this discussion civil I will close with the following; Stalin and Hilter had several things in common and despite whatever positive accomplishments they may have made both were tyrants with the blood of millions on their hands and neither should be defended or have excuses made for them.
[002] BroTim11
14th Aug '16 at 04:00:57 PM
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn't want them to do so he could've easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as Trotskyism is a subset of Marxism).
to:
JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also does not cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn\'t want them to do so he could\'ve easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as Trotskyism is a subset of Marxism).
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I have researched Stalin's anti-semitism and the Doctor's Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
to:
I have researched Stalin\'s anti-semitism and the Doctor\'s Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words;
to:
Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words; \"Khruschev had to mount a new anti-religious campaign to get them back down to acceptable numbers...\" That could sound like you imply either that too many Russian Orthodox Christians is a bad thing or that to reduce the numbers through KILLING AND/OR PROPAGANDA CONTAINING MOSTLY SLANDEROUS LIES was something to be endorsed; I am not accusing you of this, for all I know you may or may not have those sentiments, I am just seeking to point out your word choice and the possible implications to avoid any problems.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler was not intended to be a parlour game on my part, it is a summation of the facts and my opinions on both men. Though they both made accomplishments, they were both tyrants responsible for the deaths of millions. All of those political and legal \"real-world consequences\" from comparing the two sound like a lot of political and legal maneuvering possibly devoid of justice or morality. On all sides of World War 2 there were those who did good and those who did evil. Due to these possible consequences I shall let that matter rest for now.

MAI742 I realize and acknowledge that Stalin did not attempt a genocide of the Jews. You have evaded my question when I asked your opinion of Stalin. The fact that you accuse Stalin of being demonized is telling, indicating you hold a level of support towards him and/or his ideals. Were this true I would strongly disagree with you. To keep this discussion civil I will close with the following; Stalin and Hilter had several things in common and despite whatever positive accomplishments they may have made both were tyrants with the blood of millions on their hands and neither should be defended or have excuses made for them.
[001] BroTim11
14th Aug '16 at 04:00:34 PM
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JulainLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn't want them to do so he could've easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as Trotskyism is a subset of Marxism).
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JulianLapostat I disagree, Stalin was antitheist. His revival of the Orthodox faith can be summed up with one trope; PragmaticVillainy. It also cancel out the fact that Stalin allowed and encouraged the violent suppression of religion and the promotion of atheism. It was Stalin who allowed and enabled the likes of Lenin and Khruschev to actually enact the persecution (where else did they get their political power and resources from? If Stalin didn\'t want them to do so he could\'ve easily stopped them). To take an example of another antitheist, note how Christopher Hitchens was anti-theist but all he did was disparage religion using the media with rallies, the Internet, TV, essays and a book. Stalin did (or allowed) that and more, destroying buildings for worship and killing religious people for their faiths; far worse than what Christopher did (though on a side note Christopher admired Lenin and was a former Marxist, as Trotskyism is a subset of Marxism).
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I have researched Stalin's anti-semitism and the Doctor's Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
to:
I have researched Stalin\'s anti-semitism and the Doctor\'s Plot and agree it was not an attempt at genocide.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
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Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words;
to:
Also, I would like to point out that you used a potentially bad choice of words; \"Khruschev had to mount a new anti-religious campaign to get them back down to acceptable numbers...\" That could sound like you imply either that too many Russian Orthodox Christians is a bad thing or that to reduce the numbers through KILLING AND/OR PROPAGANDA CONTAINING MOSTLY SLANDEROUS LIES was something to be endorsed; I am not accusing you of this, for all I know you may or may not have those sentiments, I am just seeking to point out your word choice and the possible implications to avoid any problems.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler was not intended to be a parlour game on my part, it is a summation of the facts and my opinions on both men. Though they both made accomplishments, they were both tyrants responsible for the deaths of millions. All of those political and legal \"real-world consequences\" from comparing the two sound like a lot of political and legal maneuvering possibly devoid of justice or morality. On all sides of World War 2 there were those who did good and those who did evil. Due to these possible consequences I shall let that matter rest for now.

MAI742 I realize and acknowledge that Stalin did not attempt a genocide of the Jews. You have evaded my question when I asked your opinion of Stalin. The fact that you accuse Stalin of being demonized is telling, indicating you hold a level of support towards him and/or his ideals. Were this true I would strongly disagree with you. To keep this discussion civil I will close with the following; Stalin and Hilter had several things in common and despite whatever positive accomplishments they may have made both were tyrants with the blood of millions on their hands and neither should be defended or have excuses made for them.

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