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Do you know why we have [[LostAesop at]] [[BrokenAesop least]] [[CluelessAesop five]] [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop different]] [[FantasticAesop tropes]] for badly handled Aesops? Because one trope does NOT cover every way that moral can be screwed up. There is no FuckedUpAesop supertrope that covers everything. What you're saying is not the story shows that Freedom is less important than food after all, but that freedom was never at stake in the first place. If the story failed to adress the actual moral at stake then it qualifies for CluelessAesop. Put it there and you won't hear me complaining.
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Do you know why we have [[LostAesop at]] [[BrokenAesop least]] [[CluelessAesop five]] [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop different]] [[FantasticAesop tropes]] for badly handled Aesops? Because one trope does NOT cover every way that moral can be screwed up. There is no FuckedUpAesop supertrope that covers everything. What you\'re saying is not the story shows that Freedom is less important than food after all, but that freedom was never at stake in the first place. If the story failed to adress the actual moral at stake then it qualifies for CluelessAesop. Put it there and you won\'t hear me complaining.
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Back to the actual discussion. Aparently my argument flew over your head if you keep repeating that freedom is not beneficial to the wolf. My point is... it was never meant to be. Point of the aesop was that freedom is valuable in itself, not as a means to an end. For many people there are values like honor, justice, or in this case freedom that are more valuable than the life itself. This is the exact reason why we have tropes like HonorBeforeReason or IDieFree. Have you heard the story of UsefullNotes/The47Ronin?They died because they wanted justice and valued it above their own lives. If you interpret the story as AnAesop about justice being important would you claim it's BrokenAesop because their quest for justice ended with all of them dead? It wasn't beneficial for them in any way so according to your logic they shouldn't have tried to kill Kira. Same situation is here only with freedom instead of justice at stake. Wolf choses death over chains. That's the whole point. He could have food and life but at the cost of his freedom(please don't bring up again how much freedom was actually at stake, like i said several times it's a matter for [[CluelessAesop different trope]]) which was unacceptable price for him. If you read the story as
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Back to the actual discussion. Aparently my argument flew over your head if you keep repeating that freedom is not beneficial to the wolf. My point is... it was never meant to be. Point of the aesop was that freedom is valuable in itself, not as a means to an end. For many people there are values like honor, justice, or in this case freedom that are more valuable than the life itself. This is the exact reason why we have tropes like HonorBeforeReason or IDieFree. Have you heard the story of UsefulNotes/The47Ronin?They died because they wanted justice and valued it above their own lives. If you interpret the story as AnAesop about justice being important would you claim it\'s BrokenAesop because their quest for justice ended with all of them dead? It wasn\'t beneficial for them in any way so according to your logic they shouldn\'t have tried to kill Kira. Same situation is here only with freedom instead of justice at stake. Wolf choses death over chains. That\'s the whole point. He could have food and life but at the cost of his freedom(please don\'t bring up again how much freedom was actually at stake, like i said several times it\'s a matter for [[CluelessAesop different trope]]) which was unacceptable price for him. If you read the story as \"pride is going to get you killed\" then it\'s perfectly valid AlternateAesopInterpretation, but that doesn\'t mean aesop is broken. I took a few seconds and found the fable in question and we don\'t know for sure if the dog was happy, we only know he was well fed. We know he was willing to be chained at night in exchange for food, but the story presents him as wrong, the mere presence of someone disagreeing in aesop in the story does not break it, otherwise every aesop ever would\'ve been broken. All we have is that wolf was heavily implied to starve to death, which follows the aesop that death is better than chains. No action portrayed as right stays in opposition to the aesop.
