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* FourthWallMyopia: Much of controversy around Black Knights turning on Zero in R2 is result of this trope. Many fans see it as betrayal, just because it was instigated by antagonist Schneisel, despite the fact that Black Knights had some ''very good reasons'' to distrust Lelouch starting with the fact that they had taped confession of him being responsible for [[spoiler: Euphemia's massacre of japaneese people, the very nation for which most Black Knights fought in the first place]] (the audience knows this was an accident, the Black Knights don't), or the attack on [[spoiler: scientists working on Geass, which came up before Schneisel even contacted him (it was ShootTheDog moment, since geass ''was'' extremely dangerous especially in Britannia's hands but Black Knights only saw Zero ordering attack on civilian complex which couldn't even fight back)]]. Not to mention that Zero actually ''admitted'' to having used them (being beyond DespairEventHorizon and attemting ShooTheDog on Kallen, but still remaining ConsummateLiar, Black Knights had no reason to doubt his confession, even if audience knows it was fake).
The reason for removal was: Lelouch was called out for committing atrocities, and in some cases rightly so, even though the Knightts side with the fox in the henhouse. And ZR is framed as a RedemptionEqualsDeath. The B Ks didn't go over the case against Lelouch long enough. The recording was taken out of context. (Suzaku noted Lelouch was lying.) It was Ohgi jumping in that swayed the B Ks against Lelouch, and from that point onward, it was KangarooCourt.
About the tape i have one thing to say: My point exacly. YOU know that tape doesn't show the full truth, Black Knights don't. All they have is a taped confession of Lelouch being solely responsible for massacre of people they were fighting to protect in the first place. About Black Knights not going through case long enough, you might've not noticed but Zero ''outright admitted'' that he was using them all along. Why would they believe they need more?
The reason for removal was: Lelouch was called out for committing atrocities, and in some cases rightly so, even though the Knightts side with the fox in the henhouse. And ZR is framed as a RedemptionEqualsDeath. The B Ks didn't go over the case against Lelouch long enough. The recording was taken out of context. (Suzaku noted Lelouch was lying.) It was Ohgi jumping in that swayed the B Ks against Lelouch, and from that point onward, it was KangarooCourt.
About the tape i have one thing to say: My point exacly. YOU know that tape doesn't show the full truth, Black Knights don't. All they have is a taped confession of Lelouch being solely responsible for massacre of people they were fighting to protect in the first place. About Black Knights not going through case long enough, you might've not noticed but Zero ''outright admitted'' that he was using them all along. Why would they believe they need more?
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* FourthWallMyopia: Much of controversy around Black Knights turning on Zero in R2 is result of this trope. Many fans see it as betrayal, just because it was instigated by antagonist Schneisel, despite the fact that Black Knights had some \'\'very good reasons\'\' to distrust Lelouch starting with the fact that they had taped confession of him being responsible for [[spoiler: Euphemia\'s massacre of japaneese people, the very nation for which most Black Knights fought in the first place]] (the audience knows this was an accident, the Black Knights don\'t), or the attack on [[spoiler: scientists working on Geass, which came up before Schneisel even contacted him (it was ShootTheDog moment, since geass \'\'was\'\' extremely dangerous especially in Britannia\'s hands but Black Knights only saw Zero ordering attack on civilian complex which couldn\'t even fight back)]]. Not to mention that Zero actually \'\'admitted\'\' to having used them (being beyond DespairEventHorizon and attemting ShooTheDog on Kallen, but still remaining ConsummateLiar, Black Knights had no reason to doubt his confession, even if audience knows it was fake).
The reason for removal was:\'\' Lelouch was called out for committing atrocities, and in some cases rightly so, even though the Knightts side with the fox in the henhouse. And ZR is framed as a RedemptionEqualsDeath. The B Ks didn\'t go over the case against Lelouch long enough. The recording was taken out of context. (Suzaku noted Lelouch was lying.) It was Ohgi jumping in that swayed the B Ks against Lelouch, and from that point onward, it was KangarooCourt.\'\'\\\\
About the tape i have one thing to say: My point exacly. YOU know that tape doesn\'t show the full truth, Black Knights don\'t. All they have is a taped confession of Lelouch being solely responsible for massacre of people they were fighting to protect in the first place. About Black Knights not going through case long enough, you might\'ve not noticed but Zero \'\'outright admitted\'\' that he was using them all along. Why would they believe they need more?
The reason for removal was:\'\' Lelouch was called out for committing atrocities, and in some cases rightly so, even though the Knightts side with the fox in the henhouse. And ZR is framed as a RedemptionEqualsDeath. The B Ks didn\'t go over the case against Lelouch long enough. The recording was taken out of context. (Suzaku noted Lelouch was lying.) It was Ohgi jumping in that swayed the B Ks against Lelouch, and from that point onward, it was KangarooCourt.\'\'\\\\
About the tape i have one thing to say: My point exacly. YOU know that tape doesn\'t show the full truth, Black Knights don\'t. All they have is a taped confession of Lelouch being solely responsible for massacre of people they were fighting to protect in the first place. About Black Knights not going through case long enough, you might\'ve not noticed but Zero \'\'outright admitted\'\' that he was using them all along. Why would they believe they need more?
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* InformedWrongness: Lelouch, at least in part. Not a saint by any stretch, nor are his many mistakes and various offenses limited to being
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* InformedWrongness: Lelouch, at least in part. Not a saint by any stretch, nor are his many mistakes and various offenses limited to being \"informed\" rather than shown, but the punishment he suffered was less bad karma than bad luck. And even though he did a lot of good for the world by the point the UFN was formed, the narrative sees fit to punish him by [[spoiler:fake killing his sister and have his subordinates betray him, to the point where he sacrifices himself for world peace in a way that decidedly suggests that it was the only decent thing left for him to do]], all the while characters who were more at fault, if not responsible for any of his problems, reaped the rewards instead.
I\'m not even going through reason why this was brought back, because they completely miss the point of what i was saying when i took it out. InformedWrongness is not when character suffers worse than he should for what he did. It\'s when he\'s presented as wrong despite not being wrong at all. What\'s described here is LaserGuidedKarma meets DisproportionateRetribution, and has nothing to do with InformedWrongness. If this is to be put back name one \'\'action\'\' not just character that was presented as wrong despite not being so.
I\'m not even going through reason why this was brought back, because they completely miss the point of what i was saying when i took it out. InformedWrongness is not when character suffers worse than he should for what he did. It\'s when he\'s presented as wrong despite not being wrong at all. What\'s described here is LaserGuidedKarma meets DisproportionateRetribution, and has nothing to do with InformedWrongness. If this is to be put back name one \'\'action\'\' not just character that was presented as wrong despite not being so.
