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How were they organized before? My phone is being wonky and I can't see the pages anymore.

And have they been P Med or anything like that?

As far as I know, it's rare that an alphabetizing overhaul is a problem . Other methods often invite duplications and other messes.

It's also not uncommon for a request getting no response to be considered to have tactic approval as long as it isn't defying anything in Administrivia or on the Edit Banned Suspended thread.

Looking at the page itself, the links were just called "Part 1" and "Part 2" (2016, by Mullon), then "The A-Listers" and "Everyone Else" (1 May 2017, by Eric W with the edit reason "let's not kid ourselves"), then "A-L" and "M-Z" (8 May 2017, by Fuzzy Barbarian with the edit reason "Joe Chill isn't A-list, nor is Strange, and Clayface IS. And again, still no proper order. Alphabetising").

I don't think Eric W or Mullon changed who was where on the two pages, but Penguin — for example — was on the "Part 1" page but then was unilaterally moved to "M-Z."

I'm also not sure where this "again, still no proper order" is coming from; it's kind of rude, especially since it's referencing the discussion page inquiry — pointed out by J Rads 47 already — that nobody apparently noticed. The question was posed on 19 March 2017, and Fuzzy Barbarian said "It's not even in anything resembling an order," even though it was. My issue with this is that Fuzzy never got any response but decided to go ahead and do it anyway. I think they ought to have taken it to ATT if there was no response since it's very easy for nobody to notice a discussion page and it was a pretty big move.

So would it be a good idea to revert it back? An alphabatized list is cool and all, but I did like the idea of having the biggest rogues on one page. Maybe we can alphabetize the "A listers" page and do the same for the lesser villains page.

I mean, "A-lister" is subjective. There are clearly obvious ones like Joker, but what makes Clayface more of an A-lister than Hugo Strange? I personally don't think Clayface is one and I think Hugo Strange is, but that really kinda depends on the particular comic/video game/interpretation/etc. that they're in.

I don't personally mind it being in alphabetical order and removing the subjectivity, but I do think they should've tried to get more input into it before unilaterally changing it.

With no real objective criteria for what makes an "A-lister" or a "B-lister", alphabetical is as good a way to organize them as any.

I still think that they should be talked to in case they want to do something similar in the future

Except unilaterally alphabetizing a page that has no commented out notes or discussion otherwise generally does not have to be discussed.

Alphabetizing is encouraged as a form of organization and making the wiki neater. There's no need for a PM for something that's normally allowed.

Arctimon, the reason Clayface is a bigger name than Strange is that he's actually part of the hero cast of Detective Comics (Rebirth).

OK, but again, that is one iteration of one comic. I could probably come up with cases where I think he's less important than Stranger. It's subjective. Thank you for proving my point.

Since it doesn't appear that anything more will come up of this, barring a PM to Barbarian, I am requesting a lock to this query.