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Alichains Hyaa! from Street of Dreams Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
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#28551: Jan 13th 2015 at 2:48:29 PM

@Kyun Or perhaps it's "Be afraid of the Government. - No wait, be afraid of Channel Awesome!"

CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28552: Jan 13th 2015 at 2:49:39 PM

Seems the problem isn't so much the reviewers as the people who are not reviewers running the site. Even JO qualified her statement that Doug isn't some sort of asshole, just, not the kind of people you want running anything.

If it's any consolation, I think "nice" is not an inaccurate positive descriptor for Doug. He's not some horrible asshole. He's nice, as in that Into the Woods line, "You're not good, you're not bad, you're just nice." I'm sure many people would find his actions throughout the history of CA to not be malicious or cruel in any way. He's just immature, self-absorbed, terrible at managing or communicating with people...he's just a giant manchild, and those kinds of people aren't all fun and games, they do serious damage when they refuse to act like adults. So that's about the size of it.

CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28554: Jan 13th 2015 at 3:19:38 PM

Not surprising. What I find most interesting in that post is that Linkara sort of acknowledges other people's grievances (At least in a way that sounds he knew about it before). I'm not surprised he's treated well by management - he's the site's second biggest draw.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#28555: Jan 13th 2015 at 3:19:41 PM

Although it hasn't happened yet I just want to throw it out there not to make any judgement calls on anyone. It sucks how it's all gone down, but we also shouldn't use this as a "This proves everything I've ever said about _______" moment. tongue

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#28556: Jan 13th 2015 at 3:33:52 PM

Lewis has always been pretty damn fantastic at PR. I wonder if he has any prior professional or educational experience in that field.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28557: Jan 13th 2015 at 3:37:05 PM

I wouldn't say that (Considering the number of times he's gotten mini shitstorms from his more unreasonable fans like asking them to turn adblock off). I think Lewis is just successful enough that there's no reason for Rob and Mike to really risk annoying him, and he also seems to have a very live and let live attitude, along with a general avoidance for drama. In short, Lewis is what Doug could be if Doug wasn't in charge :-P

edited 13th Jan '15 3:37:24 PM by CobraPrime

Motyka5 Since: Aug, 2011
#28558: Jan 13th 2015 at 3:53:13 PM

[up] Besides, I think if Lewis really wanted to leave, he would do it already; he's got a sizeable fanbase, his own website, and a steady Patreon income, so he doesn't really need CA that much.

Oh, and MarzGurl is staying, at least for now, as well.

edited 13th Jan '15 3:54:54 PM by Motyka5

Just a person. He/him.
kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#28559: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:15:00 PM

Gotta hand it to Linkara. He always writes and speaks maturely and intelligently!

Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#28560: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:19:02 PM

He's just immature, self-absorbed, terrible at managing or communicating with people...he's just a giant manchild, and those kinds of people aren't all fun and games, they do serious damage when they refuse to act like adults. So that's about the size of it.

"A giant manchild"? Really?

Mars444 Since: May, 2013
#28561: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:20:30 PM

Its not an inaccurate characterization.

CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28562: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:21:53 PM

I can sorta see it from how Doug is during his Vlogs and other videos where he's himself. That's fine. Takes all sorts.

Yeow95 unpaid intern of the stars from your local mcdonalds Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
unpaid intern of the stars
#28563: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:25:52 PM

I never really thought of Spoony's departure much when it happened a couple of years ago. I was surprised on Lindsey's departure (which I heard first), but still didn't think of it much. Then I found out about significant exodus happened, and reading up on it is just....eep.

I guess I shouldn't be stunned that all of this was happening. In retrospect, Sponny being dropped / leaving the site was simply the first visible crack in this BTS mess. :/

edited 13th Jan '15 4:28:07 PM by Yeow95

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Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#28564: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:28:27 PM

[up][up][up] I have less of a problem with the characterization (can't speak to it either way) and more of a problem with the term.

Calling someone a "manchild" comes across as a really cheap way of putting yourself in the coveted "adult" position and beyond any kind of reproach. It's a tactic to shut down discussions and entrap anybody you're arguing with.

edited 13th Jan '15 4:28:53 PM by Robotnik

CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28565: Jan 13th 2015 at 4:29:14 PM

Weird thing, listening to alot of the stuff that's been posted by Lupa and JO on SA, as well as Phelous on his tumblr, I'm reminded of Spoony's video he made after he left, explaining the situation at CA and stuff. And while, yeah, there's the usual fair amount of Spoony washing his hands of stuff he did, a lot of stuff he said is being echoed in those newest stories.

[up]Speak for yourself. I call myself Manchild all the time.

edited 13th Jan '15 4:30:01 PM by CobraPrime

deckarde Sweden Since: Feb, 2010
Sweden
#28566: Jan 13th 2015 at 6:11:56 PM

I think that the theme of family in TBF was true, then.

Things change.

It's poetry. The poetry of war.
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#28567: Jan 13th 2015 at 6:39:09 PM

Calling someone a "manchild" comes across as a really cheap way of putting yourself in the coveted "adult" position and beyond any kind of reproach. It's a tactic to shut down discussions and entrap anybody you're arguing with.

Or it's just an honest assessment of someone's flaws. We know something is deeply wrong at Channel Awesome, and it appears to be largely due to the management's severe personality issues. If you're immature enough that it helps cripple your entire company, there's no reason for people to sugarcoat it when stating what the problem is.

What's precedent ever done for us?
CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28568: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:10:33 PM

Hrrrm, on the SA thread JO is talking harrasment "policy" over a past incident with some blog called TGWTG secrets. Complete with pictures of the people involved's response. Sort of too long to copy here sadly.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28571: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:36:16 PM

Says I need an account.

Which I have to buy?! What?!?

edited 13th Jan '15 7:38:24 PM by Tuckerscreator

CobraPrime Sharknado Warning from Canada Since: Dec, 1969 Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#28572: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:39:32 PM

Yarp. It's how SA's forum have always worked.

Motyka5 Since: Aug, 2011
#28573: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:42:26 PM

[up] Yeah, but SA often allows unregistered users to browse the forums. Sadly, at the moment, they don't.

Just a person. He/him.
Mars444 Since: May, 2013
#28574: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:42:48 PM

Basically, she was facing a lot of bullshit from the TGWTG Secrets crowd, specifically of the "Ex-boyfriend making shit public" variety. She or her boyfriend (or both) went through pains to get the TGWTG Secrets mods to cut that shit out, and then Rob Walker told her to stop defending herself from those attacks.

Which is pretty bullshit.

This is what he sent her. He threatened her with disciplinary action for "engaging the trolls".

edited 13th Jan '15 7:44:11 PM by Mars444

diomedes248 Since: Jun, 2014
#28575: Jan 13th 2015 at 7:43:05 PM

Yeah SA has always made people pay 10 $ for the basic account, worth it imo, makes most people think before they post dumb shit (unless they are posting in GBS)


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