Fire Emblem

Yeah because there are religious common folk in the empire. Having a Church for them to center around makes worship a lot easier.

Note that the Eastern Church is toothless and is stated as such In-Universe, so despite having Pious families doesn't have any form of military.

The Churches also operate independently, Ie Eastern tries to cozy up to nobility to better solidify their power, Western Church has Cichol as their main object of worship besides the Goddess and folloe their own doctrines around that.

Southern Church was no different. They had Macuil who dislikes Rhea almost as much as he hates people.

@Red Hunter: Yeah ''because they Kill and Replace someone who had been trusted for 40 YEARS. Almost as if they knew replacing someone who was so trusted when he returned to the Alliance was the best way to infiltrate.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:12:41 AM

Eldegard is right thus Church propagate crests thus Eldegard is right.

You guys literally using her own word for arguments ("propagate crests" "ruling from shadows" ect)

Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:13:31 PM

It's said that the eastern church is powerless under the central church and the nobles, and also that the church has much bigger influence in Leicester than in the empire, so the only reasonable conclusion is that the central church has a fair degree of power there.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Sep 22nd 2019 at 3:06:53 PM

But you specifically said that the Church having influence in Enbarr would have meant that Those Who Slither couldn't have infiltrated the Empire.

I'm not using Edelgard's words, i'm stating what the Church actually does to maintain the crests. also Shadow dictator is a trope.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:14:32 AM

Yeah because it means they had a means they had someone to act with the current ruler(s). The Bishops work with the power that resides in their territory. The fact is that the current Western Church is racist to Almyrans, Brigidians, and Duscurans doesn't help their case since they've operated separately from the Kingdom for awhile, and we're acting independent of Lambert even before the Tragedy.

And as part of the shitty thing that happens to Lysithea No one tried to help Lysithea or her family under Imperial Rule unlike when they tried to help the people of Hyrm who called for aid.

@Druppelsnubs: The Eastern Church explicitly requests the Central Church aid because they don't have the power to operate an independent army yet, and they did so because they wanted to get in good with the Nobles by taking out the Bandits pretending to be Almyrans. Unlike the other Churches which do operate a military independent of each other.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:20:16 AM

To summarize:

The church claims that their founder was instrumental in founding the Adrestian Empire, which runs on crest nobility.

The archbishop is present for the coronation of every Adrestian emperor, which is based on the crest system.

The church teaches that crests should be used to protect people, which has been conflated with ruling them (this is most obvious when Miklan is passed over for rulership because he can't protect people with the Lance of Ruin. Protection=rulership.

Rhea covers up that the Relic Weapons can turn people into monsters, the reason she gives for this is that she doesn't want people to start doubting the crests and the nobility.

How can you guys twist all of this into the church somehow being against the crest system?

Edited by Druplesnubb on Sep 22nd 2019 at 3:06:28 PM

I've been saying, the Church is all for the crests despite their supposed preaching against it. It's in their doctrine.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:24:11 AM

Oh yeah, the central church literally sends an army to operate in Leicester, thank you for proving my point that the central church has notable influence there. Why did you even keep talking about the eastern church when my argument was that the central church had the power there?

Edited by Druplesnubb on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:24:55 PM

The Central Church has no power there. The Eastern Church is the one running things for the pious, getting involved in Alliance Politics, etc.

The Central Church is never involved unless the Eastern Church has them send their army to do something that benefits the Eastern Church.

Also the Crest System started when Nemesis and the Elites used the Crests they stole to put themselves into power, and that's how he became the King of Liberation, and since the power itself IS Divine no one would question it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:30:49 AM

TIL Britain is run by the Church of England because that's who traditionally does the coronation...

Just saying, Rhea can hypothetically refuse a coronation if they don't obey her, shadow dictator she is. After all, there is mention that Edelgard's time at the monastery was to teach her to respect the Church more. I mean the church MUST be powerless if they can send the heirs of nations to military expeditions.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:33:57 AM

Garreg Mach is meant to bring nobles together so they'd be less likely to murder each other in pointless wars by interacting with others in different nations, as they'd have attached a face they can empathize with their neighboring nations..

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:34:08 AM

So if both the central and the eastern church has no power in Leicester (yet the latter can still request the former to send armies into Leicester territory somehow) why are all those npcs claiming that the church is ifluential in Leicester and Faerghus compared to Adrestia?

I'm sure that sending students to military expeditions and dividing each one into houses that compete against each other is sure to encourage cooperation.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:35:52 AM

Actually it does.

Because there are more pious and devout citizens in those countries.

A number of Adrestian Pious who flee Adrestia flee for the Alliance first since they assumed it'd be out of the war. And then fled for Fearghus when the Empire invades.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:37:03 AM

It's also mentioned that a lot of "pious" nobles in the Alliance were just playing lip service, and were the first to join Edelgard as soon as her side looked like the one that could get you more goodies.

Don't forget that students are encouraged to socialize together, and only need to ask a teacher to join another house.

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:39:36 AM

Does the fact that Rhea becoming an insane tyrant that scares even Seteth, give Nobles motivation to support Edelgard? Plus that's only one line from Lorenz and he's just speculating.

Man it's a good thing that switching houses doesn't mean switching loyalties to nations. Wait.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:40:51 AM

Also even if the Church of Seiros is as powerless as the Church of Britain (though I can't remember the latter ever fielding its own army) overseeing the coronations is still a clear sign of support.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:40:48 PM

He's not speculating. Just...disappointed since him and Ferdinand actually believe in Noblesse Oblige, the fact their fellows, most nobility being Crestless too boot, are just powerhungry(including Lorenz father himself) leaves a lot to be desired.

It's pretty clearly the inspiration for the "People with Crests craved power and tracked down relics, wealth, land, etc to put themselves in power. So the Goddess left for SPACE Heaven

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:44:24 AM

You mean that thing that only happens in one route out of four, the one where Edelgard has the lowest amount of support?

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:44:23 AM

Edited by Druplesnubb on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:44:35 PM

It's almost as though it's a good idea to verify your information before going on a bloody war of conquest.

No i mean the thing that happens in EVERY ROUTE. since each unit can change sides.

It's like manipulating a continent with false info and maintaining a corrupt broken crest system is a bad idea.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:46:49 AM

How are you supposed to learn that the church didn't institute the crest system? The only ones who actually know that are the church leaders, who'd have every reason to lie about it.