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Now that is one of those excessive complex fire arm mechanisms.

So cool, though. It’s like the epitome of Cold War chic.

It was an answer seeking a problem.

Plus chemistry and physics for firearms advanced that actually made caseless ammo work.

The LSAT program actually got a hold of some G11 ammo to help they work out the kinks in their rifles.

Taira: No the G-11 was made in a period when a number of countries, including the US, we're looking for a new or improved weapon and HK was hoping to sell them on a new idea to stand apart from the rest. There were several weapon types that never made the grade from that time period partly from politics and partly from an end to funding. They were offering an asked for the potential solution. The LSAT program made their own ammo from scratch it's pretty much spelled out in their developmental spirals and regular reports on what they have been experimenting with. The US had access to the weapons, ammo, and research material from the weapons program that helped spawn the G11 a long way back and that is part of why the G11 never went anywhere with the US.

The ammo as it stands is too flawed in concept and execution. They found a way to stave off cook-offs but not the ammo fragility.

I said they looked at it. Not copied. It was in some of the powerpoint slides floating around.

Hence why LSAT when with the plastic coating.

Cassless ammo is the future of guns, and will always be the future of guns.

Taira: No you quite plainly said they got ahold of the ammo. Which simply isn't true. They just grabbed the research reports and power points that have been kicking around for a while because the US has been tinkering with caseless ammo in the modern era for decades. The current LSAT rounds have their own unique shape but in end, the outcome is the same. They also reached the same dead end and failed to progress through the developmental spiral. There is a reason the Caseless LSAT gun hasn't shown up.

Caseless is not the future of ammo. You really need to sit down and take a good long look at why caseless continues to fail every time. It has been the same issues repeatedly literally over a century old at this point. The only issue they solved was a spontaneous cook off but could never solve the litany of issues that exist solely with caseless ammo. LSAT caseless is another dead end and has failed to produce even a demo prototype to date.

They basically have to make caseless ammo not caseless ammo to make it work. The one good suggestion was to abandon full out or true caseless and pursue semi-caseless along lines to existing ammo systems. For example, using the same tech, we use to make 120mm tank rounds. They use a combustible case and eject the metallic stub from the end. To date they avoid pretty much all the problems caseless has faced but still are lighter weight than traditional brass cased ammo. There are a few other suggestions some of which are somewhat similar to the old Rocket Ball ammo.

Edited by TuefelHundenIV on Dec 28th 2018 at 6:16:10 AM

It is if and when Magnetic Weapons become man-portable.

But caseless ammo using chemburner propellants? That's still a wild card mostly because of temperature and cook-off concerns.

Tom: EM weapons are not caseless. Caseless refers specifically to combustible propellant cartridges. Though a personnel coil gun would be cool. I would hate to be the armorer who has to deal with one after a month of grunt abuse.

Flintlock Pistol With Integrated Lantern.

Now that's actually rather a cool gun. Would be good for a nightwatchman back in olden times I think.

The lamp mechanism is interesting but it strikes me as slightly unwieldy.

I imagine it is still easier to aim then a lamp in one hand and a pistol in the other, and it leaves you with a free hand.

Unwieldy definty, but better then the alternative for a night watchman.

High speed low drag kit for 18th century operators.

Immy: The impression I get is you do not have a free hand and hold the lantern by the handle on top or the handle on the bottom. That is a lump of brass and glass and it is going to be pretty hefty.

I especially liked the part about the lamp having its own flint/trigger combo, so that a midnight intruder could be met with the 18th century answer to chambering a round with your trusty 12-gauge.

Recently picked up a Sig M17, and I have to say I’m pretty impressed. It feels a little tall but it’s surprisingly soft-shooting, and it’s been eating any ammo I can feed it. Not half bad looking, either.

Archon: Is it tall like the M9 or 1911?

The height is essentially identical to the M9. It’s a pretty tall pistol. It’s much lighter than the M9 though, and it “feels” less bulky. Hence my surprise at how flat and soft shooting it is.

I’ll also add that the grip angle is more like a 1911 than a Glock, which is to say there’s not much tilt to it. The whole pistol feels very vertical and tall.

Edited by archonspeaks on Dec 30th 2018 at 12:17:59 PM

SIG SAUER to Present Ceremonial M17 Pistols to U.S. Army’s 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

With wood handgrips made with wood from the USS Olympia and include the crest of the 3rd Guard, Tomb of the Unknown Soldier identification badge and nice leather holster, SIG carried on the traditions of the 3rd Guard.

Sounds like I might have to visit the local gun range and see if I can rent one.

I think I would have preferred a flat black metal, the shiny metal is a little gaudy.

Definitely check it out, I was pleasantly surprised myself. I’m interested to know what you think.

If you can’t get your hands on the M17, the P320 full-size is almost identical. The main difference is the lack of a manual safety on the P320.

Yeah, well, you know how the Honor Guard has to have everything chrome-plated. Why? Because reasons...

Knowing how they are these days we’re probably just lucky Sig didn’t cram a bunch of sheepdog threeper bullshit on there.

Whenever US Army units do things like have shiny pistols:

Picked up a S&W TRR 8 at Christmas time. Pricey, but man is it nice.