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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#47551: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:10:05 PM

Ugh, you missed the obvious Joker, Poyo. FATE, duh, Poyo. Male, homoerotic subtext, Poyo…

UberNimrod "EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out." from Likely nowhere near you Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#47552: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:10:28 PM

Also, I just figured out an explanation for why the various criminals and supervillains aren't actually running Mahora City before Batman's arrival.

Now THIS I gotta hear. So what is it?

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#47553: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:16:26 PM

SCM: I said it twofold: a) everyone from the Magic World is the same as in canon (thus including Fate), and b) I'm averting Joker Immunity and not using him. There is no Joker here, Evangeline killed him already.

[up]

Batman is not Mahora City's first costumed vigilante.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#47554: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:18:53 PM

So Kotaro the Joker, Poyo. Same homoerotic subtext, Poyo.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:48:09 PM by SCMof2814

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#47555: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:23:15 PM

SCM, what are you talking about? Kotaro the what? Also - and this is FINAL - I am not going to intentionally write homoerotic subtext! If there's no Joker - and here, there isn't - then there's no reason to have it! If I were going to use the Joker, then that'd be different, but I'm not, so it isn't different!

And how the heck was Fate the obvious Joker? He's a Well-Intentioned Extremist Stoic Anti-Villain! The Joker is.... well, not!

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#47556: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:32:35 PM

The Batman universe, to some degree or another, needs the Joker to fully work. A set of Batman mythos without the Joker just isn't the same thing.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#47557: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:37:36 PM

A Joker without a Batman and a Batman without a Joker is not complete. One can not exist without the other. They complete each other.

They are destined to dance their masochism tango...forever.

Unless the actor dies during post-production. May he rest in peace.

UberNimrod "EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out." from Likely nowhere near you Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#47558: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:39:30 PM

@SCM The Verbal Tic is starting to affect your Ancient Belkan. I didn't get that.

And Batman is not the first vigilante? Hmmmm...

This raises all sorts of interesting things. Maybe Gordon Konoe used to wear his own costume.

OR.....

Perhaps the Konoe family isn't as pure as people think. In which case Konoka would make a good Huntress. That would be interesting, in that she would have to keep that secret from Setsuna.

I was going to suggest that Yue be Hugo Strange. After reading the Wiki however, that would NOT be a good idea. Hugo Strange is Satomi on a bad week.

I still think Yue needs to be doing something other than sitting on the sidelines. What that something is, I am not sure.

Madman with a box? I'm a madman with a semi, a pretzel bender and a Heart of Gold!
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#47559: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:41:51 PM

I think Yue might make a good Scarecrow, actually. Kinda fitting since Scarey and Hatter have teamed up several times in comics, too, like in The Long Halloween.

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47560: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:43:14 PM

<sigh> I really don't want to use The Joker, and for two reasons: one, I think it'd be refreshing to just not have him around. Two, and this is more of a practical reason, Joker has a special kind of insane that I just don't think I can quite capture. But I guess I could have Chigusa becomes his Legacy Character or something if it's really that big of a deal. I don't see why he's apparently so necessary. I mean, yeah, I do recognize that he's Bats' iconic archnemesis, just as Lex Luthor fills the same role for Superman.

And yet I feel both can be done excellently without any involvement from the aforementioned villains, and I'd like to experiment with that.

Besides, we've already got Makie as the Harlequin...

Nimrod: In summation, you ask, "If Batman is not Mahora City's first costumed vigilante, then who is?"

And to that, I give the simplest of answers:

SCARECROW.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#47561: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:43:36 PM

No one answered my who's Catwoman question yet. tongue

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47562: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:46:20 PM

NL: Yes I did. There is no Catwoman, but we have Deadshot dating Batman in her place.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#47563: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:47:13 PM

You said that Deadshot fills the position, but Catwoman can still be in it. tongue

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#47564: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:47:41 PM

[up][up][up]Kotaro would be the best Catwoman. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. evil grin Zazie could work, too.

[up][up][up][up]Your bolded word intrigues me.

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Yue for Riddler? He did become a detective for a while.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:48:06 PM by rikalous

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47565: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:49:54 PM

Well then, who would you suggest?

SHOW ME WHAT YOU FEAR.

- Zazie

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#47566: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:50:34 PM

I don't mean individual stories can't be done without Joker, for long stretchs of time, even, but a Batman who never meets the Joker in his life... just isn't the same thing. Almost every major hero has at least one villain their mythos need, the archetype counterpart. The X-Men need their Magneto at some point. Yes, Superman needs Luthor. Daredevil needs Kingpin (and Bullseye). Batman needs a Joker. As a matter of fact, most weak rogues galleries lack that essential villain, like Wonder Woman, who has... the freaking Cheetah, as the closest thing to a true nemesis she can get.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:51:08 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

UberNimrod "EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out." from Likely nowhere near you Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#47567: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:52:58 PM

[combines OM's response and Eva's response]

[giggles like a madman]

I now want to see Yue trying to protect Mahora with fear gas. That just strikes me as HYSTERICAL!

Ahem.

Seriously though, Yue isn't known for being anything but stoic, so she would make a good Scarecrow. I can see her verbally beating people down while making them piss themselves in fear.

EDIT: Yue as Riddler? Hmmm. Interesting, but Yue doesn't conjure up images of laughter at her own clever jokes.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:56:17 PM by UberNimrod

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#47568: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:54:50 PM

Eva would be an awesome Scarecrow.

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47569: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:55:12 PM

................

I just figured out how to incorporate the Joker.

And I don't even need to change my previous plans.

The Joker is Alberio. Also known as the Lifemaker.

And if I didn't make it clear a post or two ago, Scarecrow is Zazie.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:56:34 PM by EvaUnit01

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#47570: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:56:37 PM

Oh, whew. I suppose that saves the Makie-Joker relationship from being consumed into anything creepy, since Makie's crush is no doubt going to be fully unrequited.

Edit: Hey, you guys remember that The Dark Knight parody we co-wrote where Ako played the Joker? There were some hilarious bits in there.

edited 2nd Sep '12 6:58:44 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47571: Sep 2nd 2012 at 6:57:56 PM

There is no Makie/Joker relationship. The fact that she also has a clown gimmick is entirely a coincidence.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#47572: Sep 2nd 2012 at 7:00:23 PM

Yeah, I don't think you're in command any more, Poyo…

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#47573: Sep 2nd 2012 at 7:01:35 PM

Who's not in command anymore?

UberNimrod "EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out." from Likely nowhere near you Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#47574: Sep 2nd 2012 at 7:02:28 PM

@OM And where is this post? I now want to read it.

Madman with a box? I'm a madman with a semi, a pretzel bender and a Heart of Gold!
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#47575: Sep 2nd 2012 at 7:03:44 PM

[up]Geez, I dunno. We just were goofing around with Ako Joker posts, at some point shortly after the 355 debacle. It was months ago, man.


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