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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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Adannor Since: May, 2010
#5904: Dec 29th 2019 at 10:15:10 PM

She doesn't know Sam that well. She got acquainted with the scoundrel side, but haven't yet really met the extremely lazy roommate side.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#5905: Dec 30th 2019 at 7:40:49 AM

Sam did once say (to Helix, so understandable if nobody else knows) that his entire species are extremely sound sleepers, but this is taking it to a new level.

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Shinziril Since: Feb, 2011
#5906: Dec 30th 2019 at 5:56:20 PM

IIRC, the effective way to wake them up is to try to take something they're holding.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#5910: Jan 3rd 2020 at 6:53:32 AM

I guess a big theme for this section of the story is how humanity, by and large, has never really made an effort to understand Sam.

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#5911: Jan 3rd 2020 at 10:57:56 AM

I think that some of it is that humanity, in general, expects Sam to "catch on" to the "right way" to do things. Florence, as an outsider, and to some degree also the robots, recognize that there is a different base state that Sam is working from.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#5912: Jan 6th 2020 at 9:52:50 AM

Yes, Sam's psychology is a wonderful case of a truly alien alien

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#5913: Jan 6th 2020 at 10:18:54 AM

Florence is feeling like things are a bit out of control. Worth noting that Sam seems to have successfully deflected Niomi's anger to the coffee instead.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#5915: Jan 8th 2020 at 7:14:37 AM

I want to see Niomi try to flip that coin in low-G. By the time it finishes flipping and bouncing and she actually has her answer, it will be time for tomorrow's exercise.

petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#5916: Jan 8th 2020 at 7:23:54 AM

Just flip it towards a magnetic plate.

The universe is under no obligation to make sense to us.
Shinziril Since: Feb, 2011
#5917: Jan 8th 2020 at 10:27:07 AM

Since we were falling free in a 24-hour circular orbit, with everything weightless and floating, you'd think that shooting craps was impossible. But a radioman named Peters figured a dodge to substitute steel dice and a magnetic field. He also eliminated the element of chance, so we fired him.

- From Delilah and the Space-Rigger by Robert Heinlein (1949)

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#5919: Jan 9th 2020 at 10:58:49 PM

I kinda expect Florence to next go stalk Sam and greet him with a nice big SMILE and explain what not to do on watch.

petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#5920: Jan 10th 2020 at 12:01:53 AM

[up]Nah, she knows Sam better than that, and it wouldn't work anyway.

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#5921: Jan 13th 2020 at 6:59:52 AM

Appropriate levels of punishment. And, of course, the messed-up thing is that I think the computer is talking about Florence.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5922: Jan 13th 2020 at 7:07:40 AM

"Not making humans feel bad" seems pretty extreme for AI safeguards. How are they possibly going to be able to do that? Also, didn't the computer just make Niomi feel bad by telling her?

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 13th 2020 at 10:08:08 AM

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#5923: Jan 13th 2020 at 8:04:44 AM

I think we've covered in prior strips that it's basically a rough "don't hurt humans" heuristic. One of the issues the robots of Jean face is that they're intelligent enough to find ways to blame themselves, but not bright enough to realize the loopholes most of the time.

There does also seem to be a feedback loop in place where the robots get rewarded for punishing themselves for a perceived slight.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#5924: Jan 13th 2020 at 8:26:04 AM

There's also the thing where Blunt tried to argue that Kornada couldn't be punished because he defined "harm" as "literally anything my client doesn't want."

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#5925: Jan 13th 2020 at 8:29:44 AM

Keep in mind that the ship is running on a different neural architecture than the most robots on the planet. It is more heavily 3-lawed than they are. When things get nuancey, differences will crop up.

Edited by Adannor on Jan 13th 2020 at 7:32:36 PM


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