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411314 41314 from Michigan Since: Feb, 2010
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#1: Nov 18th 2010 at 11:18:06 PM

I discovered a trope called No Antagonist and was wondering weather it really meant "no villian" since it says " There is no evil villain hiding in his lair with a plot to destroy the world, no tyrannical ruler bent on mayhem and destruction". Also, in the english class where I first heard the word, "antagonist" was defined as anything opposing the protagonist, meaning that even if the protagonist was instead opposed by nature or some other force that wasn't a character, there WAS still an antagonist, just one that wasn't a character. Is TV tropes defining it differently, or is the trope name innacurate?

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#2: Nov 18th 2010 at 11:26:59 PM

American Heritage Ditctionary "Definition #2: The principal character in opposition to the protagonist or hero of a narrative or drama."

That's the TV Tropes definition. Though I have heard of no-English teacher suggest that an antagonist could be anything other than a character.

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TibetanFox Feels Good, Man from Death Continent Since: Oct, 2010
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#3: Nov 19th 2010 at 1:06:40 AM

I am saddened that there are no video game examples on the trope page. A video game based on this concept could be very cool if done well.

edited 19th Nov '10 1:06:55 AM by TibetanFox

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#4: Nov 19th 2010 at 5:09:37 AM

My communication arts teacher goes with the "anything that goes against the protagonist" definition. You know, Man vs. Man, Man vs. Society, Man vs. Nature, Man vs. Himself.

Actually, it's a very common school of thought that all of my CA teachers had supported and I had seen in several books. This makes the No Antagonist more risky.

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