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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24651: Nov 1st 2018 at 5:05:50 PM

On the gameplay front I'm mostly trying to be a completionist on BfA content with as many alts as I can. Thus far I've completed all major questlines on 3 characters (2 Alliance and 1 Horde), and am currently working my way through the Pride of Kul Tiras questline on my 3rd Alliance 120.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24652: Nov 1st 2018 at 5:18:16 PM

I have one character for each class because I'm insane and want the "do all 12 Order campaigns" Feat.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24653: Nov 1st 2018 at 8:07:52 PM

[up] Yeah, I did the same during Legion (going as far as to obtain every class flying mount in the game), plus I managed to level up 2 Allied Race characters to max at the tail end of the expansion for a total of 15 max level characters.

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#24654: Nov 1st 2018 at 9:12:53 PM

I barely do BFA content. Been running old raids and leveling allied race alts to finish Loremaster.

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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24655: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:10:34 AM

Oh, so our Brewfest Tokens are removed once the event's over, but we get to keep our Hallows End Tricky Treats?

I see how it is, Blizzard...then again, Brewfest does have less collectibles to farm for in comparison, but still.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24656: Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:43:44 AM

Only 20 minutes left until Blizz Con starts. I'll miss the opening ceremony because I'm at work right now and am typing this out on my break, but I will say for the record that I'm standing by all the predictions I made earlier in the week.

Beta release timeframe for Wo W Classic.

8.1 trailer, which following the tradition of Legion will be a cinematic set early in the 8.1 story.

A new character piece cinematic, possible a high-rez character piece like Old Soldier, though it could also be a more standard prerendered cinematic.

8.1.5 details, which will include Warlords of Draenor timewalking and playable Kul Tirans/Zandalari.

8.2 announcement, which will include a new raid (probably the Azshara raid), with an associated dungeon/questing zone. At least two new heritage armor sets for classic races. Vulpera and Junker/Cyborg Gnomes announced as Allied Races. New Warfront, this one with a setting either Horde themed or truly neutral as the first two have leaned strongly Alliance.

Mic drop 8.3 announcement, just as we had in 2016. Which will be Ny'alotha.

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#24657: Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:59:17 AM

Confirms Anduin was the one who let Saurfang free.

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NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
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#24658: Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:59:20 AM

Pretty much nothing from Wo W with the opening ceremony except re-iterating 8.1 stuff, Classic is going to be releasing in Summer of next year

They did however show a new cinematic, Anduin goes and discusses Sylvanas with Saurfang, coming to the conclusion that he can't stop her alone before leaving while leaving Saurfang's cell door open. This seems to answer whether or not Saurfang's coup is sponsored by Anduin or if Shaw was acting alone, he's unambiguously an Alliance asset and he knows it.

Edit: [nja]'d, but I'll leave the spoiler box there for people at work who can't watch the cinematic yet.

Edited by NaraNumas on Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:59:54 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24660: Nov 2nd 2018 at 12:57:43 PM

Just watched the cinematic. I liked it, though it does kind of highlight the fundamental problem with the expansion's premise It's paradoxically emphasizing faction pride through the conflict, while simultaneously telling Horde players that their faction is lead by someone they should not support.

Also as a slight sidenote, I dislike describing Saurfang as an "Alliance asset". While it's true in a sort of "technically correct" way, my read on the situation is that Anduin is counting on Saurfang to be Saurfang. There's no demands or bargains, at least none that we've seen, just an open door.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24661: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:07:06 PM

And, as I predicted the second I finished that clip, the Sylvanas fans/diehard Horde fans are currently burning the MMO Champion forums down over this.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24662: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:18:27 PM

[up] Yeah, like I said, it kind of highlights the fundamental problem with the expansion's premise.

But I do think it's worth noting that currently has a 96:4 like:dislike ratio on youtube, which is consistent with something that's only slightly controversial. The diehard Sylvanas fans might be loud, and while they aren't exactly few in number they don't really make up a large percentage of the fanbase.

Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#24663: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:19:24 PM

[up][up] and [up]

People are upset because the Horde has no characters left and we already saw getting rid of Garrosh+loads of orc characters accomplished nothing but ruin the Horde narrative even more.

Essentially killing Sylvanas won't accomplish anything except hurt Forsaken lore and it certainly won't stop the Horde from being constantly villain-balled.

Edited by Monsund on Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:19:46 AM

NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
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#24664: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:24:40 PM

Also! It looks like the site for Allied Races was sneakily updated now, we know what KTH and ZT will have:

KTH: Druid, Hunter, Monk, Priest, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior

Zandalari: Druid, Hunter, Mage, Monk, Priest, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior.

And their racials, KTH have a versatility buff that also restores a portion of damage taken, a breath meter and swim speed increase, a racial ability that's a knockback with a stun, increased tradeskill gains, and resistance to nature and frost damage.

Zandalari have Loa Blessings which doesn't really say what it does, but presumably will give you a random loa's buff, extra gold looted from corpses, regenerate which is a channeled heal (we've seen Zandalari NP Cs use this), and Pterrodax Swoop, which acts as a racial slow-fall.

Edited by NaraNumas on Nov 2nd 2018 at 3:27:25 AM

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24665: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:27:23 PM

You know, I just realized something. Once the Azshara/N'Zoth shoe finally drops, Blizz may end up altering the Incursion system to make them more Naga/Faceless/Cthrax themed.

Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#24666: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:30:44 PM

So will Zandalar trolls not have Warlock and Paladins as options?

NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
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#24667: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:39:00 PM

[up] Nope, neither can be warlock, Zandalari can't be Paladins, and Kul'Tirans can't be Mages.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24668: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:40:13 PM

That honestly kinda blows considering that we actually do see a Zandalari Paladin in the Alliance version of Battle of Draz'alor.

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#24669: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:47:07 PM

Ooooooh. I see it now! There will be unique class/race combos added through quests! Zandalari Paladins. Human Shaman/Druid. Blood Elf Druid. Forsaken Druid. Etc. In this way they can introduce them as unique occurrences rather than something widespread.

Edited by googlebot on Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:47:29 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#24670: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:50:45 PM

I'm still waiting on Night Elf Paladins and Pandaren Death Knights.

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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24671: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:54:24 PM

God, reading the fallout of this on MMO Champion is like the prime exhibit of how disturbingly fanatical Sylvanas' fans are and how some people take their "faction pride" way too far.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24672: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:18:30 PM

People are upset because the Horde has no characters left and we already saw getting rid of Garrosh+loads of orc characters accomplished nothing but ruin the Horde narrative even more.

Essentially killing Sylvanas won't accomplish anything except hurt Forsaken lore and it certainly won't stop the Horde from being constantly villain-balled

I actually don't disagree with this in essence. In order to fix the Horde narrative, Blizzard needs to commit to fixing it for the long run and getting rid of Sylvanasnote  doesn't itself do much.

Where I differ is that I feel that in order to fix the Horde's narrative, getting rid of Sylvanas is a nessesary step in that process. It's just that there's a lot of other steps involved.

To keep her around is to resign the Horde's narrative (or at least any pretext that the Horde's continued existence could ever be good for Azeroth) to a state of permanent brokenness. In which case, who cares what Horde characters get killed off? Once you've hit rock bottom there's no way to make it worse.

NaraNumas The Pun Dragon Since: Jun, 2011
The Pun Dragon
#24673: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:21:49 PM

Ohp! Wait, looked at the page again. It must have launched erroneously or without having been entirely ready because the classes have changed.

Zandalari Paladins are a-go boys.

Edited by NaraNumas on Nov 2nd 2018 at 4:22:17 AM

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#24674: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:22:57 PM

I also disagree with Monsund's claim that every Orc aside from Thrall, Eitrigg and Saurfang supported Garrosh. Quite a few Orcs were ousted from Orgrimmar for protesting Garrosh's increasingly deranged actions, and the only named Orc NPCs that we know for sure sided with him were Malkorok, Nazgrim, Zaela and Shokia.

stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#24675: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:28:20 PM

Depends how badly she gets slapped down. You can break a character without killing them.

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