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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#58026: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:36:40 AM

Russia got rid of the last of their old rail-mobile launchers in 2005 and the successor program is on indefinite freeze. Strategically the platform just was never that much more useful than other land-based systems.

Sea-based systems are really the best way to go for a credible deterrent.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jan 20th 2020 at 8:39:32 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#58027: Jan 20th 2020 at 2:20:53 PM

I mean, if you use a mass big enough, or accelerate it fast enough, you absolutely could wipe out a city. Nukes are a lot cheaper and easier, though.

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
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#58028: Jan 20th 2020 at 3:21:56 PM

The amount of raw mass or energy for acceleration for a given mass you would need to turn most kinetic weapons into city killers is exorbitant to put it lightly.

You have to remember that the meteorites that smacked the shit out of the Earth have quite a bit of both behind them. Many have been accelerated by complex interactions with orbits and gravity wells slinging them at rather a high velocity often moving said, very large quantity of mass.

Rods from God were not ever intended to be used as city busters. I blame bad fiction, bad press media, and most importantly, that one scene from the GI Joe movie. The write up for them was for tactical and strategic time-critical strike weapons that could destroy targets like bunkers, missile silos, and other hard targets. RAND Corp. did a write up on space warfare including orbiting space weapons including a bit on "Rods From God" style weapons. Ultimately they had a number of issues such as cost, accuracy, limitations imposed by orbit and other issues. They suggested using an ICBM or SLBM missile with a kinetic impactor with a different impactor shape would provide an appreciably cheaper, more responsive, and ultimately effective kinetic strike option.

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Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
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#58029: Jan 20th 2020 at 5:41:59 PM

NHK has a short piece on Italian PO Ws in Japan shortly after Rome gave up and joined the Allies:

In World War Two, the Japanese army detained more than 32,000 prisoners of war. The grim conditions inside the camps have been documented in photographs and interviews by the occupying forces after the war. But one part of the story has received less attention: the plight of those who became overnight enemies mid-way through the war.

Antonio Cancemi was serving in the Italian Navy, which was fighting with Japan at the start of the war. But on 8th September, 1943, Italy surrendered to the Allies and instantly became an enemy of Japan. Italian nationals, including Cancemi, were rounded up and detained.

Antonio's son Giacomo now lives in Tokyo running a long-established Italian restaurant. He says his father always bore the scars of his wartime experiences.

“He enjoyed talking, but when the topic of war came up, he always fell silent. I often hear that people who’ve experienced war will scream at night as though they’re having a nightmare. For example, if someone phoned for him... when I tried to wake him up, he’d jump out of bed," he says.

Giacomo says his father was a crewmember on the auxiliary cruiser Calitea that was conducting joint operations with Japan. Italy surrendered to the Allies and declared war on Germany while the Calitea was anchored in Kobe harbor.

All 121 Italian crew members onboard were suddenly deemed enemies of Japan and taken to a prisoner of war camp near Kobe.

The POW Research Network Japan has been collecting material and testimonies about the facility. The site is now a residential area, but the nearby steel mill casts a shadow linking the past to the present.

The prisoner's testimonies indicate they were forced to perform manual labor at the mill, such as loading and unloading coal and clearing up the iron shavings produced in the steelmaking process.

The camp held more than 600 PO Ws who were forced to walk four kilometers each day to the steel mill, where the worked from 7 a.m. until 5 p.m.

One Italian prisoner of war wrote about the living conditions.

"I am starving. I eat weeds I find on my way to the steel mill, and take scraps from the garbage, like orange peel and cucumber skins." Notes taken after the war by the occupying forces include the horrific story of Lieutenant Ernesto Saxida, an officer from the Calitea. He was taken to a POW hospital in Tokyo suffering from beriberi and cirrhosis of the liver. He became a human guinea pig.

A military doctor injected him with soy milk. He went into a coma with severe and repeated vomiting, and died about 48 hours later.

That doctor was later convicted of war crimes and sentenced to death.

Italian civilians also found themselves caught up in the turmoil. A photograph from a magazine issued by the Japanese government in 1941 shows three girls — one from each of the three Axis countries, Japan, Italy and Germany — enjoying themselves at New Year. The photo series was aimed at promoting the close ties between the countries.

The Italian girl was the daughter of a diplomat, and she was later detained along with more than 40 Italian consular officials and their families. They were sent more than 500 kilometers north, to the mountains of Akita Prefecture. They were crammed into a church, sleeping on bare floorboards.

Mayumi Komiya of POW Research Network Japan says the lack of facilities must have made it intolerable.

“Diplomats, ambassadors and their wives, as well as high-ranking military attaches, suddenly had to face a life of starvation with no bathtubs. I think that constitutes abuse, even if they weren’t beaten,” she says.

More than 10 percent of the PO Ws and foreign detainees died in captivity, including some who thought they were allies of Japan, but found themselves suddenly cast as enemies.

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#58031: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:36:17 AM

Japan is increasingly worried about the interstellar activity of Russia and China who are reportedly trying to disrupt satellites.

Japan knows something I don't, it seems.

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Teemo SPACE Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#58033: Jan 21st 2020 at 10:45:31 AM

Japan knows something I don't, it seems
They did build a life-size Gundam "statue" some years back...

Edited by Teemo on Jan 21st 2020 at 12:45:50 PM

Imca (Veteran)
#58035: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:41:10 PM

Whats the circumstances that would lead to them ordering a frigate out of country any way? Thats a lot of econmic shifting.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#58036: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:54:24 PM

I’m not surprised they went outside their borders given the incredibly sorry state of German naval engineering right now.

They should have sent a poet.
eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
In the name of being honest
#58037: Jan 21st 2020 at 2:23:13 PM

And Damen is a pretty well-respected contractor with many export customers around the world.

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Imca (Veteran)
#58038: Jan 21st 2020 at 2:49:08 PM

[up][up] How so?

[up] Its more military contracts are expensive, and a good way to boost the domestic economy as long as what your asking for can be provided natively.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#58039: Jan 21st 2020 at 2:53:45 PM

I did once make a joke that, I’m the event of an alien invasion or something similar, Japan should provide the giant mecha and the US should provide the space marines.

Britain will provide time travelers.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Jan 21st 2020 at 2:57:06 AM

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#58040: Jan 21st 2020 at 3:40:11 PM

[up][up] Like many other parts of the German defense industry they’ve been plagued with serious issues for years. Not just the usual over-budget/behind-schedule stuff, but quite literally not delivering functional products or being completely unable to repair drydocked ships.

They should have sent a poet.
Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
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#58041: Jan 21st 2020 at 8:52:13 PM

Mainichi has an article about SOFA in Japan.

TOKYO — An Australian woman who was sexually assaulted by an American soldier based at U.S. Yokosuka Naval Base in Kanagawa Prefecture submitted a written request addressed to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe seeking revisions to the Japan-U.S. Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) on Jan. 20.

The request from the woman, Catherine Fisher, a resident of Tokyo, coincides with the 60th anniversary this month of the signing of SOFA. Fisher was assaulted in April 2002 by a U.S. soldier she did not know in the Kanagawa Prefecture city of Yokosuka, south of Tokyo. The soldier was not indicted, and returned to the U.S. without paying any damages.

In her request, Fisher emphasizes that victims of crimes committed by U.S. soldiers in Japan are not being protected. She is seeking that an article in SOFA which states that "it is the duty of members of the United States armed forces, the civilian component, and their dependents to respect the law of Japan" be changed to read that "it is the duty of members of the United States armed forces, the civilian component, and their dependents to obey the law of Japan."

Fisher, who personally handed her request to officials from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the First Members' Office Building of the House of Representatives in Tokyo's Chiyoda Ward, commented, "The Japanese government and the U.S. military must hold discussions, and if they really want to reduce crimes, the Status of Forces Agreement must be revised."

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#58042: Jan 22nd 2020 at 2:10:37 AM

A question about bandoliers riflemen wore in the World Wars: how do you put on the one seen in this worn by the guy on the right dressed up as a Chinese National Revolutionary Army soldier?

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#58043: Jan 22nd 2020 at 4:13:37 AM

[up][up][up][up]Starship captains come from France or Louisiana.

Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
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#58044: Jan 22nd 2020 at 5:08:25 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51204323

The South Korean MND has officially discharged a transgendered person who enlisted in the army.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#58045: Jan 22nd 2020 at 10:10:56 PM

It looks like the Russians are having some trouble with Zircon, citing unspecified “childhood diseases” as the cause for the ever-increasing delays. [1]

For all the fearmongering a few years ago, the US appears to have quietly and steadily pulled ahead in the hypersonic arms race.

They should have sent a poet.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#58046: Jan 22nd 2020 at 10:55:03 PM

Kinzhal seems to be the only new weapon of the lot working fine.

Now I doubt it's going Mach 10 for 2,000 kilometers or whatever figure the VKS is pulling out of it's ass this week but I haven't heard of any catastrophic failures or serious issues with it so far.

Oh really when?
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#58047: Jan 22nd 2020 at 11:29:27 PM

Given the struggles their other hypersonic weapons programs have encountered you have to wonder if it’s really working as well as advertised, and even if it is it’s still far less mature than some of the current US systems.

They should have sent a poet.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#58048: Jan 22nd 2020 at 11:34:14 PM

It seems to be a lot less ambitious than the other hypersonic weapons since it seems to be a fairly simple air launched cruise missile.

If there is something catastrophically wrong with it they've done a pretty good job of hiding it so far.

Oh really when?
Imca (Veteran)
#58049: Jan 22nd 2020 at 11:38:11 PM

Given that NASA could make a hyper-sonic drone in 2010, I am going to go with the Amercians probably having the lead on this one... Just because they aren't saying any thing, could just mean they don't feel like they are threatened enough to need to brag.

Especially with Cheeto's blunder.

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