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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88127: Aug 20th 2022 at 2:06:55 PM

Volume 5, chapters 35-43.

     Thoughts 
Goddamn it Ichigo, you just HAD to take Uryu's offer and get into this Hollow-hunting competition with him. Now the whole town is infested with Hollows! But hey, this just means we can get more focus on the side characters. I like how, even though Orihime acts pretty silly and muddleheaded, she's *not* an idiot. She's just, y'know...operating under her own weird Orihime logic. She gets a great showing here too. I already liked seeing Tatsuki kicking ass to protect her, but then Orihime awakening her own power (with fairies!) was cool. This girl is getting serious and I dig it. I also liked her backstory flashback and how she befriended Tatsuki...damn it, Kubo, you could've given Tatsuki cool powers too! You've already got one useless lesbian friend for Orihime, you should've just paired Tatsuki with Orihime and let things be! Also, Chad...god, I love Chad. Him protecting Ichigo's sister and developing his own power, plus his own flashback sequence...fuckin' love how Kubo is doing the characters here. Since I've been reading One Piece and Naruto alongside this, I can't help but notice there's a big contrast with Bleach. It isn't "I wanna be the best X", it's "I wanna protect people", and I really vibe with that.

Also OF COURSE Ishida is a fucking Radiohead fan. He looks like he'd be one.

Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 20th 2022 at 7:11:33 PM

bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#88128: Aug 22nd 2022 at 1:22:27 PM

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In the novel series named after Kanonji's catchphrase.

A few more answers from Kubo's Q & A:

- Urahara lied to Isshin about the Vizards.

- Uryuu appeared in the Hell chapter. He was the mysterious guest in Keigo's restaurant, making Chad the only one who was absent.

- Hollows can have babies. Hallibel is the exception for obvious reasons.

- Chizuru reaction to Orihime getting married was "Ah, it's nice she's getting married. So what?" Kubo says that she's a relaxed and calm person.

- The healing ointment Ikkaku used is part of his Zanpakto.

- The boss of AB Cookies (the place where Orihime works) is very gentle.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#88129: Aug 22nd 2022 at 2:05:33 PM

  • Ah right, I remembered those novels right after I asked. I still didn't actually look up to confirm he was a character in them, so thanks. Are they Narita novels? And/or are they actually canon?
  • What lie, again?
  • That's good for Uryu, but I want Chad!
  • Forever sacrificing... I want good things to happen to Halibel.
  • Trying to move her away from the "psycho lesbian" trope.
  • Kubo should do more with that then, and make self-repair a part of Ikkaku's bankai's power, to make it less shit.
  • Orihime works where? Huh.

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Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#88130: Aug 22nd 2022 at 2:08:36 PM

Yes for Narita. Unclear for canonicity.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88131: Aug 22nd 2022 at 10:50:15 PM

Bleach, Volume 6, Chapters 44-52.

     Thoughts 
I have mixed feelings on Uryu as a character so far. I kind of get why he's the way he is, but also...my guy, you caused a catastrophe with those Hollows, man. Not cool. Quincy powers are at least pretty interesting, though, and I kinda like the contrast between him and Ichigo. But y'know, speaking of all that...man, the Soul Reapers were kinda FUCKED UP to the old Quincies, goddamn. That's uh...fucked up piece of lore right there. And even Uryu doesn't really give a shit. I dunno if there's some cultural thing I'm not getting here, but still dude, goddamn. I did like how Ichigo just kind of calls him on his bullshit, and, admittedly, the way they combine their powers was pretty cool.

But yeah uh, that's not the part that hits hardest, though. No no, the last two chapters are what hits hardest. Rukia's gone, man. She's left. Absconded in the dark of the night, to be taken back to Soul Society for her execution. The girl is in deep trouble. We're not in the early parts of Bleach where it's more episodic in structure, no no. We're about to start the big arc everyone praises. I'm looking forward to this but damn...I knew it was gonna happen and I still felt bad for Rukia. She's my favorite character in the whole series and it's sad to see this.

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#88132: Aug 22nd 2022 at 11:45:34 PM

Interesting to see where "the first big arc" starts for each of the Big Three. Naruto starts first, then Bleach, then One Piece.

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88133: Aug 23rd 2022 at 10:29:36 PM

Volume 7, Chapters 53-61.

     Thoughts 
Emotions running even higher, and the stakes? Oh, these are high stakes. Ichigo may have some latent spiritual energy, but he ain't shit compared to Renji or Rukia's shitty older brother. Now we're entering a small training arc before the gang goes to Soul Society. Honestly, while it still really hurts with Rukia being taken, I do like how this is showing that Ichigo needs to strengthen himself. He's not on the level of professional Soul Reapers. He's just some guy who got the powers through happenstance. Renji's power already shows what expert Soul Reapers can do, and then Byakuya is just plain cruel and terrifying. The actual training stuff so far is pretty funny, too. Urahara and his team of weirdos are pretty funny.

There isn't much else I can say, to be honest, beyond that I like how Orihime is choosing of her own volition to go and save Rukia as well...which kind of makes me wish Kubo had written more of them interacting before this turn, but to my understanding he was kind of forced to rush to the Soul Society arc in the first place? Eh, Orihime is still pretty cool. And her and Chad are about to be trained by a magic talking cat. Parallel training arc, yay!

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#88134: Aug 24th 2022 at 4:40:10 AM

[up][up] Its interesting because Naruto and Bleach's signature stories start in the second arc.

While One Piece's first signature story is the 5th story arc.

But yea, like what the Chunin Exams were to Naruto, the Soul Society Arc is for Bleach. Huge ass paradigm shift that has ramifications for the rest of the story.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 24th 2022 at 7:42:37 AM

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#88135: Aug 24th 2022 at 6:54:33 PM

As for One Piece, I know you're thinking of Arlong Park, but I actually don't think One Piece has an equivalent to those arcs, or if it does, it's Baroque Works.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#88136: Aug 24th 2022 at 6:59:32 PM

Well Baroque Works is more like the first real Climax, Arlong is when the Strawhats are truly formed for the first time.

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#88137: Aug 24th 2022 at 7:04:06 PM

Yeah, but the Chunin Exams and Soul Society mark the first big change-up in the story that resets the status quo going forward. Baroque Works is the best comparison to that, since it's the saga that starts with them going to the Grand Line.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 24th 2022 at 7:04:18 AM

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#88138: Aug 24th 2022 at 7:11:25 PM

[up] but I feel baroque works were better executed because one piece let the characters develop and establish themselves more fully than the chunin exams and soul society arcs which felt like they rushed and it didn't let characters developed as much as they could, it would probably be better in naruto if at least the other Konoha genins were establish more clearly before the chunin exams or in general more time with team seven going on normal missions before trying to get to the next ninja rank, and Bleach was literally forcefully rushed by jump, Kubo was actually planning all of Ichigo's friends to get spiritual powers, not just Orihime and Chad but they wanted to get to the soul society as quickly as possible, I'm not saying the arcs are bad, far from it, they're arguably when their series grew the beard, I'm just saying that the journey there was probably taken too fast.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#88139: Aug 24th 2022 at 7:39:19 PM

I think Arlong Park works because, like, sure Bleach and Naruto were decent/good before but the Soul Society and Chuunin Exam arcs are when they went from decent/good to great and it's the same with One Piece. It was decent/good before but around Baratie or Arlong Park is when it went from just decent/good to great. Basically they're all the first major/notable story arcs.

Edited by Chariot on Aug 24th 2022 at 10:42:09 AM

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88140: Aug 25th 2022 at 9:33:26 PM

Volume 8, Chapters 62-70.

     Thoughts 
God, Ichigo's training was so great. Like seriously, the art is amazing, but it's the whole weirdness of him meeting the embodiment of his zanpakuto for the first time that sells it. Kubo goes a little surreal here. And then he finally says the name Zangetsu and I *LOVE* it. But now, the fellowship has assembled. Ichigo, Uryu, Chad, and Orihime, going out to save Rukia, led by a talking cat. I loved some of the small emotional beats here. Ichigo saying goodbye to his sisters and having one last chat with his dad, Orihime having a chat with Tatsuki (seriously I'm shipping them so hard right now holy shit), it's all good. And we also meet some of the Soul Reapers...this Gin guy looks creepy. Oh, and there's an implication about Urahara that is making me intrigued. I'm guessing he used to be a Soul Reaper or something? Goddamn it, Kubo, don't tease me like this, you sly bastard tongue

Edited by Diana1969 on Aug 26th 2022 at 3:03:35 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#88141: Aug 25th 2022 at 9:46:27 PM

Does your volume have it written as "Zenketsu"?

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Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88142: Aug 25th 2022 at 10:03:48 PM

No, I'm just tired and got the name wrong, I fixed it tongue

Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88143: Aug 26th 2022 at 11:53:13 PM

Volume 9, Chapters 71-79

     Thoughts 
Can't be that easy, huh? Team Ichigo make it to the gate and fight against the big gatekeeper, the gate is opened upon his defeat...and that creepy Gin guy shows up to keep them from advancing. Ichigo is still not quite in the same league as these guys...which, yeah, that's to be expected when he's had a limited amount of time to train in the first place. Was a good action sequence, though. I do like the little village of the various souls who hadn't been guided by a Soul Reaper into Soul Society, but I do feel a bit weird about how the afterlife is depicted here? Chad mentions it feeling kind of bureaucratic, and he's not wrong. I can't tell if Kubo is trying to satirize the idea of the afterlife or not, but since we already know that Soul Society has been kinda shady beforehand, this might be an intentional thing. Anyways, more characters introduced here. We meet Kukaku and her brother Ganju. I already kinda like Kukaku's design, the missing arm is a nice touch. And, of course, we get our first appearance by Aizen, who...look, I already know he's the villain. EVERYBODY knows he's the villain. Anyone who knows about Bleach knows that Aizen is its most famous villain. That being said, I like how he's the first one to suggest a conspiracy at play with Rukia's execution...sly bastard.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#88144: Aug 27th 2022 at 12:08:14 AM

To quote Bleach Abridged about Aizen

Renji: Josh "the-joke-is-that-you're-not-Aizen" Groban, can I talk to you?

Aizen: Yes, I'm not evil, what do you need?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#88145: Aug 27th 2022 at 1:33:11 AM

To be fair, not even Aizen knew that he was the villain. While Kubo had probably planned for X and Y to be villains, he only decided on Aizen once he knew that Bleach was going to continue past Soul Society and had planned the larger myth arc involving Yhwach. Looking back at the series itself, I would say that the Kenpachi and Mayuri fights mark the shifts to a larger narrative since it's here that the seeds are first laid.

It does make me wonder, if Kubo had chosen Urahara as the villain, which is not hard to imagine given his personality and might potentially happening, who would fill the Urahara role for Ichigo? He's kinda screwed without him.

Edited by bandersnitch on Aug 27th 2022 at 1:39:29 AM

uncertanSearcher The Power of Toons and Anime from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
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#88146: Aug 27th 2022 at 1:40:25 AM

Aizen being the villain is so wildly known at this point that it is easy to forget how genuinly shocking that was at the time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#88147: Aug 27th 2022 at 2:02:33 AM

It was a reveal made nearly 2 decades ago.

It’s like over in Spider-Man the true identity of the Hobgoblin was a huge thing back then from a multi-year storyline.

Of course now everyone knows it’s Robert Kingsley but as said back then it was a big reveal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#88148: Aug 27th 2022 at 5:24:04 AM

There are so many untrue rumors about Bleach that I’m not sure if it’s veracity, but yeah, I always heard that the original plan was for Urahara to be the evil mastermind and Aizen to just be the dead guy.

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#88149: Aug 27th 2022 at 8:13:15 AM

Kukaku has a Prosthetic arm in the Anime due to TV standards, If I recall. I know she appears again in the final arc for a bit, so I wonder if the Thousand Year Blood War Anime will keep her Manga design.

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#88150: Aug 27th 2022 at 8:15:51 AM

@Diana: I'm glad you like Kukaku. Also, thanks for pointing out Chad was the one who first pointed out how bureaucratic Soul Society was. What do you think of Chad, Orihime, and Uryu as characters?

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