Sexism In Anime

feels silly when the boys have fire, ice, explosions, bone breaking strength and so on doesn't it?

Isn't Momo limited by size in what she can create? Since it's coming out of her body, I imagine there's an implicit restriction that any thing she makes has to be something that's smaller than whatever bodypart she's pulling it out of.

So I don't think she's capable of making a cannon, at least one with any real fire power.

Edited by RedRob on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:25:29 AM

They can use it for collateral damage and control how strong their attacks are. Bakugou can create smaller explosions or use them to move around, Todoroki can freeze people without harming them and Deku can adjust his strenght. Mina hits someone with acid anywhere other than armor and it's an instant 3rd degree burn.

Edited by Ayal92 on Feb 26th 2020 at 1:27:12 AM

oh so the boys can perfectly adjust their powers but the girl can't. sure is CONVENIENT.

The girls can adjust their firepower too. Yaoyorozu can make cannons, even ones as big as herself. Mina can adjust her acid from "melts through metal in an instant" to "barely stings".

Given Mina is canonically not very smart, she likely doesn't understand the scientific applications of her Quirk.

So I doubt we'll ever see it's TRUE potential

Canonically...

Yakuza and wild leopard: don't put words in my mouth please. I never said expecting action is wrong, or that wanting them to do things is bad.

I said people build up these expectations I think are unreasonable to begin with, and project that into the characters.

That they "would be some of the most terrifying in the setting " is the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about. I'd consider it such even if the characters were male.

No they wouldn't, because neither is designed for that. We can talk about the issue of female characters getting fewer direct combat powers, but that's a different issue than acting like powers that blatantly aren't that are.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 26th 2020 at 3:50:06 AM

You're talking about Wattsonian justifications, as in the applications in-universe in which case you're right.

But we're talking about this on meta level, which is the main subject of the topic. It's not that we're ignoring the applications of their powers, but calling attention to the author's intention for them.

No I'm not. I don't think either of their powers, as they exist, would be nearly as "OP" as people like to make them out to be in male characters.

They can certainly be used better and I hope we get to see that, but that's not the same thing.

I get your point, I've just always found it strange in this case.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:08:13 AM

You're being semantic.

The basis of the mindset stems from the fact that Hori doesn't use their powers to their fullest potential and actively keeps them in supporting roles.

People just want them to play a more active role in the story at the end of the day.

I mean, I want that to. I don't feel like semantics is much in play. I feel like you can want that without making exaggerated statements like win ffg leleopard's and I see those fairly often.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:21:25 AM

Being exaggerated doesn't detract from the central point is what I'm saying.

It's why you shouldn't take those statements at face value at all. It should go without saying that they wouldn't be overpowered.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 26th 2020 at 5:21:12 AM

I'd say it those, but I don't really want to keep going with this.

I don't like how people discuss powers or power levels in general with this particular series.

They wouldn’t be OP in terms of AFO or OFA, but I don’t think anyone was arguing that (at least not in this thread, can correct me if I’m wrong). Nothing really competes with those in terms of OP factor. In fact I struggle to call anything truly OP in MHA due to the fact that each Quirk does have its drawbacks, outside of All Might pre-injury and AFO pre-facial destruction, maybe.

We’re more about the fact that there’s a lot of potential for strength in both powers; being able to put people and things into zero G, them drop them and the power to create most anything aren’t “change the weather with pure power” level, but strong in context of the series, and have potential for creative use in various scenarios.

Not many Quirks can compete with the heavy hitters, but Momo and Uraraka are in the “strong potential” pool and with creativity and focus could lead to some pretty good results. What’s extra annoying about it is that, sure, Zero Gravity and Creation aren’t on the nose combat powers, but Mina and Nejire have Quirks that are suited to combat, but...aren’t used that much.

There's Vlad King; he even uses his Blood Manipulation to restrain Dabi during the Summer Camp attack, so that argument falls flat. Shinsou has an entire mini-arc during the tournament dedicated to proving that the Quirk is only as villainous as the society will make it out to be.

That's not really relevant to the main topic of the thread, but since we're on MHA, I do have a bit of a love-hate relationship with the series regarding sexism. Yakuza Arc remains the most galling example so far, but later arcs (manga spoilers) involving Curious's utterly pointless death and Setsuna getting the absolute whoopass beat out of her during the Joint Training despite all the hype of a recommended student - something she shares with Momo, incidentally do have their moments.

On the other hand, there's Miruko, who is as straightforward as it gets, with a straightforward physical Quirk, and muscles for days. (manga spoilers) Yet, I fear that she doesn't get incapacitated by - admittedly incredibly dangerous - the High Ends just because she ran dick-first into enemy territory. Her lone wolf mentality is heavily at odds with general themes of the story as well, so if she doesn't walk the walk it'll just look like an unruly woman being put in her place.

"There's Vlad King; he even uses his Blood Manipulation to restrain Dabi during the Summer Camp attack, so that argument falls flat. Shinsou has an entire mini-arc during the tournament dedicated to proving that the Quirk is only as villainous as the society will make it out to be."

I literally mentioned exactly that. Unfortunately a mini-arc for a minor character and a nothing side character doing one thing once is not enough when your main villains all reinforce the opposite message.

Just try to imagine Shigaraki as a good person. A good person who turns you to dust by touching you. Exactly, it doesn't work. Because it's a villainous power and he's a villain. Toga has a blood Quirk and is thus a psychopath obsessed with cutting people. Stain consumes blood so we get deliciously evil looks at him using his tongue to lap up blood, an evil image if ever there was one.

Edited by Nikkolas on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:39:31 AM

Hero Shigaraki doesn't turn people into dust, he turns things into dust, things like boulders pinning climber's legs, so they don't have to do anything gruesome with a penknife, or overturned cars and the kind, much like Thirteen. Destructive powers can be used for good, if you just let them.

Related to that, is Ryuki; literally one of the top 10 heroes and undoubtedly had a powerful Quirk and being a top pro, would lead one to assume that she's reasonably strong.

Yet, she did very little in the arc overall in spite of that.

Nobody wants the girls to be overpowered powerhouses, but the consistent downplaying of their abilities when then they're in the same field of work as the men who get to show the full extent of their powers, is especially grating and noticeable.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 26th 2020 at 7:50:31 AM

On the other hand, Mina/Momo as villains would probably actually get to do stuff with their powers, and probably more creatively as well.

Eeehhh, depends. We've had two female villains and one of them is dead. We get another one soon, but she also dies after debut

Megane doesn't really get to do much before she's killed by Overhaul, which leaves Toga as the most prominent female villain.

Now granted, Toga is dangerous given she was able incapacitate two pro heroes through deceit so...

I think you mean Magne?

I was wonder who you were talking about once I realized Curious wasn't the second female villain. Ashamed to admit I forgot about Magne for a moment there.

Not super familiar with Naruto or Boruto really, but does the latter treat the female characters any better?

Well in Bort every wife character is either a henpecking harpy or submissive 2nd fiddle supporting her man.

but moms are scaaaaary