Castlevania General

Eric not only played second fiddle, he had to play second fiddle to a relative of the Belmonts and not a direct line Belmont.

It's a good thing he grew out of this mindset by the time of Bloodlines. Otherwise he probably would have become a boss in a Bad Ending route of a future game or something.

It does make one wonder if a hypothetical boss fight between John Morris and Eric Lecarde would have been fun.

Edited by M84 on Nov 11th 2021 at 10:14:39 PM

It was doubly ridiculous too assuming Eric thinks he's every bit as entitled to the Belmont legacy as the Morrises.

But in the end both of them stepped up and Jonathan, at least, saved his daughters.

Isn't it fanon that Eric is Alucard and Maria's descendant? I mean, I like it myself because I think they're cute but that's besides the point.

I have much fondness for Harmony of Despair myself, and it retains a playerbase even now. I think it has a niche, cult following within this fandom of ours. Shadowserg has a No Damage run of the game as well because of course they do.

And Death's role in Portrait of Ruin? Secondary Antagonist that Ganon Hijacks on Dracula's behalf? He's kind of the secondary Heavy, with Brauner as the Big Bad until he gets beaten. Death is always fun when he gets a lot of dialogue. Like he's great in Harmony of Dissonance as well.

Arrgh! Death has returned!

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 11th 2021 at 8:02:40 AM

Yeah, Maria is a Belmont, though.

Just a female line member.

No she is not. The Renards are distant relatives of the Belmonts.

Is that a distinction with a difference?

Distant relatives usually means through the female line.

It's presumably more distant than even the Morrises, meaning she'd have an even harder time wielding Vampire Killer.

Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2021 at 10:01:07 PM

Apparently, the ghost of Leon's wife is sexist.

:)

The issue isn't the gender. The issue is how closely related they are to Leon.

Did you forget that Sara killed off a male user, John Morris, for not being enough of a Belmont?

Heck, even being a main line Belmont isn't enough for the Vampire Killer if said Belmont really fucks up like Richter did. That's a big part of why Richter gave up the Vampire Killer in the first place — he felt too guilty about what he did under Shaft's thrall to keep it.

Edited by M84 on Nov 14th 2021 at 10:41:05 PM

I mean closely related is an odd measure or it would mean every generation would be weaker when Julius is the strongest of all Belmonts.

The sexism argument makes even less sense though. There's zero evidence that the VK is biased against women.

The direct lineage does matter though — that's the whole reason John Morris bit it. Otherwise, the Belmonts' power to fight evil becomes stronger with each generation according to Castlevania: Grimoire of Souls.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 12:21:02 AM

Yes but my point is that direct lineage just means the male lineage because genealogy is sexist. Because the female lineage are still all descendants of Leon Belmont. No one they marry will make them less descendants of Leon.

So barring sexism, which was said jokingly anyway, there's no reason the main branch of the Belmonts get stronger while the others weaken.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 14th 2021 at 8:22:13 AM

And my point is that if the whip was actually a Female Misogynist it wouldn't have killed off a male user.

I don't think that would actually necessitate actually.

It would mean the lines that aren't direct descendants (i.e. women) are not considered "true" Belmonts.

And I just think it's the creators not thinking through their implications.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 14th 2021 at 8:23:46 AM

It just seems like a rather crass joke to accuse Sara of being a Female Misogynist.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 12:24:32 AM

Its meant to illustrate side families getting screwed out of Vampire Killer is bizarre.

It's likely there's more than just a blood relation at play. The VK also won't work properly for main line Belmonts if they somehow stray from the Belmonts' calling. Cases in point being Richter falling into evil due to brainwashing and Julius outright forgetting he was a Belmont.

The implication is that the VK's standards are based on how faithful the wielder is to its original user Leon's vow to hunt the night. Offshoot families being offshoot families have their own traditions and thus aren't as close to Leon in spirit. It's the main Belmont line that adhered most to that ancient vow.

I'm just confused why nobody thought to inform Julius of his history and heritage.

Like the battle of 1999 was a massive war and the Church was involved. Someone had to have recovered Julius to bring him to the hospital.

Poor guy lost 35 years of his life. And still has his Belmont family skills despite all that lost time.

Julius presumably went off the grid in his amnesiac state. By the time everyone was done picking up the pieces from the battle it was probably too late to find him.

Then how the hell did an amnesiac hobo manage to hide from the Church and governments for 3 decades?

While I may need to double check his exact line, I'm pretty sure he did meet people in the hospital when he woke up.

The immediate aftermath of a presumably cataclysmic war against Dracula presumably left them pretty busy.

And even if they did find him...what would they tell him that wouldn't sound batshit crazy to someone with zero knowledge of the supernatural thanks to the amnesia?

They might have simply decided to leave him in peace.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 2:37:42 AM

I mean the Church has actual witches in their employ like the Belnades.

Besides, Julius was able to still use his Belmont skills like a super charged holy cross that could even cause a mini earthquake in the castle, so clearly he has no trouble with the supernatural.

Man, Arikado screwed the pooch on this one. I doubt even if the war of 1999 was that cataclysmic, Alucard wouldn't just leave the descendant of his only friends as a hobo for 30 years.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 14th 2021 at 1:43:31 PM

Julius didn't actually have his powers back until he regained his memories and unsealed Vampire Killer.

Arikaido probably thought he was doing Julius a favor by letting him have a chance to live a normal life free of the baggage of the Belmont lineage.

Edited by M84 on Nov 15th 2021 at 2:51:23 AM

Kind of a dick move if you think about it.

Sure he had good intentions, but you can't just deprive a man of his memories and let him live as a hobo.

Plus Julius accomplished the Belmont family goal.