Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

Resentment isn't rational.

No it isn't. Their natural talent was about equal.

edited 28th Jan '13 1:04:54 PM by Arha

Seriously, Rin has the potential to be amongst the best in the4 history of the association.

She could pretty much become Zelretch successor if she works hard.

Kay: I never said Rin was at fault in any way, but Sakura's resentment for her is somewhat understandable nevertheless.

Shlugo: There is zero evidence that Rin is any smarter or more suited to being a magus than Sakura is. If Sakura had been the Tohsaka heir, even Rin admits she'd have been highly successful.

What? I wasn't talking about Sakura resenting her, I was saying that Rin isn't responsible for Sakura's circumstances.

edited 28th Jan '13 1:05:17 PM by kay4today

Yeah, but I was talking about Sakura's resentment. And, technically, Rin is responsible for Sakura's circumstances, but only in the same way as Sakura is responsible for the deaths caused by the shadow in HF. She's not in any way at fault, but nevertheless if she'd not existed Sakura would never have suffered.

That's like saying Sakura was responsible for her situation because she was born second.

I didn't Say Sakura had more talent then Rin, I said she had more power, Potentially.

Rin clearly picks up magic easier then Sakura -then again ones being groomed/taught to be mage the other is Zouken's side project experiment, and Zouken don't teach much of anything-

In Pratice Rin's better In Theory Sakura will be better.

I already gave it too you, no if you find it questionable to beleive, fine

edited 28th Jan '13 1:13:42 PM by FrozenWolf

Sooooooooooooource.

That contradicts what Heaven's Feel tells us. Sakura and Tohsaka both basically had equal potential.

Kay: Well, I guess. I'm not exactly trying to assign blame here....

Frozen Wolf: You can't reasonably compare Rin and Sakura's knowledge of magic, because Rin was taught properly and Sakura wasn't. They do explicitly have the same potential, though. Sakura isn't more powerful than Rin, but she's not weaker either.

Okay I'm wrong.

That's not quite accurate. Tohsaka is more powerful since she didn't have someone around to totally distort her origin and teach her in a manner she's completely unsuited for. Sakura's potential was every bit as promising as Tohsaka's, but except under very specific circumstances she can't really show it anymore. For the most part this is why Tohsaka is held up as a genius and Sakura is not despite having equal talent.

Oh, but with HF Grail shenanigans Sakura ends up a hell of a lot stronger such that Tohsaka needs to replicate one of the true magics to stand on par with her.

edited 28th Jan '13 1:36:44 PM by Arha

Clearly Tokoimi is to blame for having another child, knowing he'll give her away.

A lot of suffering could be prevented if he used protection.

Cherry: Of course she'd be successfully, I'd expect nothing else from her. But so was Tokoim and Keyneth. Rin was good enough that Zelretch took her as a pupil.

The big point of Sakura and Rin's interactions is that both of them ate confused on how to deal with each other. Remember what Sakura said, she was delighted to be around Rin, but at the same time being around her makes her feel uneasy, it is common to feel two things for the same person. But at the same time, it is hard to a person to swallow the fact that her family did kind of abandon her, even if she tries to rationalize the details of it in her head. No she doesn't really have a right to hate, but the simple fact if the matter is that she was lost in a way and didn't know how to live. So it is understandable if she is not comfortable with Rin. More to the point, the fact that she constantly rationalizes why she shouldn't feel that way is part of her character. At the heart of it, she doesn't hate any particular person, but is unsure of what to do with the web of feelings she has, if that makes sense.

And Rin is just as messed up, but she happens to be of the more functional variety.

... Sakura is in love with Rin. I KNEW IT!

A long long time ago◊

...Wait what is that?

Well, she says that she idolizes her, ironically, Shirou says that he understands Sakura's feelings when she says that she can't honestly be delighted in the face of the person she respects, because she feels she doesn't measure up to loving that person.

In simple terms, Sakura does not hate Rin, but rather puts her on a pedestal, you see some if this in Hollow too. It is almost Marimite like at times. Hell, she never takes off that ribbon, that ought to be all you need to figure it out.

Edit: if i remember correctly, that was from TM FES, it looks like another side project Takeuchi did ala the old Vampire Wars novel illustrations.

edited 28th Jan '13 2:17:54 PM by AOG

One of them looks like Berserkerlot.

Arha: I was talking specifically about their potential there.

Shlugo: I have actually made that argument about Tokiomi before. It really doesn't make sense for him to have a second kid.

And, Zelretch did not take Rin as a pupil. I really don't know where you are getting that from. Also, we have no reason to believe that Sakura could not have achieved the same ability as she did.

Altima: Well, Rin is what Sakura would be if Zouken hadn't taken her and abused her. Plus, Sakura has no self-esteem, so it figures she'd look up to her sister in that manner.

It's from the Type moon aniversary

Looks like the Year is 3665, After-Earth War's are waged with Mobile suits

Type-Gundam eh? Though I bet it is just Takeuchi doing random illustrations with Koyama coloring for a random game/obscure anime again. He did some for Nanoha and I think a few others.

@CL - Rin is Rin and Sakura is Sakura. There is much that would not change despite their circumstances, and it would be remiss to just call Sakura a 'Rin with abuse'. Similarities, but not the same.

edited 28th Jan '13 2:32:01 PM by AOG

Type-Gundam just brings to mind someone making a mecha on par with Ultimate Ones.

It doesn't end well for anyone.

Altima: Obviously they aren't exactly the same, I'm not an idiot. But, they do have a lot of similarities in terms of their innate personality.

Also, saying "Sakura is Sakura and Rin is Rin" is oversimplifying things a hell of a lot (as well as being a total fucking tautology). The majority of differences are IMO due to their very diffrent upbringings.

Well, different people cope very differently with similiar situations. Sakura became passive and all of that while Rin might have become overly aggressive or something.

edited 28th Jan '13 2:56:16 PM by kay4today