Sinfest

Try this exercise. What storyline since the start of Sinfest has been finished from start to finish without a hundred distractions or hasn't been abandoned completely?

Tats has always meandered away from storylines. He always finished them haphazardly or not at all. It has always been clear that he doesn't have a grand plan.

Remember the story that starts with the Devil quitting his lemonade stand when he couldn't take God's teasing anymore? It happened, then NOTHIING for months until it suddenly cut to a comic of the Devil sitting on a beach somewhere and it being "revealed" (meaning: Tats finally thinking of a way to continue from the corner he wrote himself into) that he was simply taking a vacation. It didn't make sense. It has all the signs of the ass pulls he is currently still doing. But it was funny so the audience went along with it.

There really is no need for overly complicated theories involving mysterious shadow radfems in his life to explain why Tats is so terrible at sticking to a story or why he wanders away from what he is currently showing. He is doing what he has always done. It just didn't matter as much before because he wasn't trying to tell a serious story before.

This Amber/Fuchsia story is a perfect example of Tats's way of telling a story. Also think about the reveal that Little Evil is the Devil's son. It makes absolutely zero sense if you take everything that has been shown over the years into account. He was a looney fanboy, nothing more. There is no way Tats planned any of it for years in advance.

It all comes out of nowhere with no build up or logic. Tats simply decided that this is what he wants to show so he just does it.

Isn't Crim one of the winged men in the first painting behind Fusch?

Also think about the reveal that Little Evil is the Devil's son. It makes absolutely zero sense if you take everything that has been shown over the years into account. He was a looney fanboy, nothing more. There is no way Tats planned any of it for years in advance.

It makes no sense over the entire history of Sinfest. It does make sense over the period in which Tats decided to tell stories, starting in 2012 or so and coinciding with the Great Radfem Conversion.

I predicted years ago that Vainglorious would turn out to be Hekate's son; we finally got confirmation a month ago. If Tats isn't plotting things in advance, how do you explain the long-term continuity of the Witch Academy strips and the Archangel Michael strips? For that matter, then what's the point' of the Witch Academy and Archangel Michael strips?

Prediction: We're going to see Headless Pimptron and the Assassinbots (good band name!) in a couple of months.

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:17:23 PM

And the new year will end with an explosion of the robot which it had been doing for the last three to four years. He's really starting to cement himself into repeating tropes.

I was discussing it with my wife. I forgot who discussed it and the actual number, but aren't there twenty different story types? Tatsuya seems to really focus on infiltration/escape a LOT (the fembots many escapes, the jailbreak, Theo from the gender correction facility, most likely L'il E and his puppy in the future, Tange breaking in and escaping the mansion, etc). Even his filler is just merely setting the stage as something to escape from. While that annoys me via tedium, I guess it kind of makes sense in terms of what he's trying to convey: an oppressive society.

I think we all enjoyed the arc where it explained the Devil's history a bit because it was finally something DIFFERENT. It was explanatory/lore-building and it finally wasn't infiltration/escape. But he's going right back to his favorite trope and I think that is disheartening. It's boring. Especially when he's done it for the umpteenth time.

He's been doing chase/inflitration/escape literally since the fembots.

HELL! Even when the chase is "finished" he puts it out there that the chase can just start right up again!

Edit: Tatsuya's comic just feels like a big, giant, jail cell.

Edited by Gibson35 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:32:55 AM

And I still wonder when OriginalPimp is going to escape from Hell. I was sure it would happen last Easter. Maybe next Easter ...

Tats is a lazy storyteller and takes a lot of narrative shortcuts. Ask yourself where you think he got the ideas from.

The Patriarchy is ripped from the Matrix. The Witch Academy is ripped straight from Harry Potter. The archangel Michael fighting against Satan (and Satan getting his wings cut off) has been done so often already in stories that there's plenty of sources where he could have ripped it off from.

The basic steps that Tats takes with these stories anyone could think up in five minutes. Think about the first answer you'd probably give when asked a question about "where next". Example: how did Grandma and Auntler meet. They're related? They went to school together? Why not both!

Perhaps there is something that he thinks of once in a while and remembers, but I think 99,9% of what he does is made up as he goes along.

He thought of Vainglorious as some sort of threat to the Devil. The Devil could be related to Vainglorious, remember that, don't do anything with it. Then Tats suddenly needed a witch with horns because he was doing the whole Hecate thing. Then he suddenly thought "hey what if she was the mother of Vainglorious, wouldn't that be awesome! and Satan could be his dad! We'll fill in the plotpoints about how we got here later, don't worry about it, guy, take a load off, relax. OOOH, what about Amber what is she offered Fuchsia something wouldn't that be interesting etcetera, etcetera.

Another big tell of him either stealing ideas from somewhere or making everything up on the spot is that he often quits the storyline when it gets hard to write without having planned anything ahead. The gender facility thing is a perfect example. Theo got arrested for being unmanly. That is Tats ENTIRE first premise and the limit of his idea. He didn't plan this, it was just a random thought that came into his head.

Then Theo gets shipped off, there's some vaguely painted in "jail scene full of bad toxic masculine boys" that (in my opinion) is ripped straight from Pleasure Island from the Disney version of Pinocchio. There's some random gags about Theo acting masculine (Scrubs did that a lot with JD), a threat to be shipped of to the girl camp and then Theo gets busted out easily before we even get a look at it. The story ended at this point because Tats had no idea what a girl camp was supposed to look like, more so when there are also supposed to be unmanly boys present, and he had done all of his toxic masculinity comments already.

It was easier to have them escape than tell the story. That is the reason it ended why it did.

I've said before that Tats would really profit from either hiring a writer of someone who helps him set up his storyboards so he can tell a story from start to finish for once in his life.

Edited by hayate666 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:07:37 AM

I think it was the gender correctional faciliity that made me start to believe that his comic is nothing but a continual reference/therapy to himself. It made me realize that he is low-key talking about/admitting to his fetishes without realizing it.

"Everyone has this fantasy, amirite? ...Guys?"

Edited by Gibson35 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:13:28 AM

There's a difference between an extended (and fragmented) plot arc and a lengthy tirade based on radfem dogma.

Yes, the gender stuff is obviously a ripoff of The Handmaid's Tale, repurposed for Tats' gender frothings. But there doesn't seem to be any sort of coherent plot arc to it. It's just his radfem cause du jour. There aren't even any continuing characters, it's all metaphor and allegory.

Hekate getting pregnant by Satan — either through inattention or by design — goes against radfem dogma, because it violates the premise that everything bad is the fault of Evil Menz. Bonus points if Hekate tried to blackmail Satan into marrying her. Triple bonus points if Hekate is somehow responsible for Lilith's death.

That's why I was convinced that Tats would never finish that plot arc — as his feminism became more intense, the plot became less and less acceptable to himself and/or to Someone Else. Then I was astonished that he picked it up again a few months ago, and now I'm wondering why he seems to have dropped it again.

It's as if a Jack Chick track turned out to have Satan as the good guy and that nasty Jesus fellow was the one who was screwing up people's lives.

It made me realize that he is low-key talking about/admitting to his fetishes without realizing it.

What, the dancing vagina hallucinations didn't convince you of that?

Hi, guys. I'm back after a week of vacation. Did I miss anything interesting? (In terms of discussion, I mean. I already checked in the comic and I see I didn't)

Naaah ...

Example: how did Grandma and Auntler meet. They're related? They went to school together? Why not both!

Actually, I don't think there's any real evidence that Hekate and "Nana" are related. Nana calls Hekate "Aunt Kate" when she's talking to Xanthe, but I'm pretty sure that's just an honorific, just as it's an honorific when Hekate calls Nana "Mother Justice."

If those aren't honorifics, then they have one hell of a tangled family tree!

UPDATE: Wait. There's one way to make that work. If Hekate married Nana's son, then Hekate would be Xanthe's aunt-by-marriage and would call Nana "Mother Justice" as her mother-in-law. But that opens up a bigger can of worms ... Who was Nana's son? Why did he marry Hekate, and why isn't she married to him now? And wouldn't Hekate have been much older than Nana's son?

Cue the Sinfest Chorus: "This makes no sense!"

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:39:02 AM

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-23

I wonder if that fact bothers her? I'm going to say, probably not.

New comic: https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-23

Well, I guess this means Fuchsia won't go on TV.

Also what are the chances that the card Amber gave to her has hidden location-tracking device?

Edited by feaaaa on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:30:39 PM

"That's what I used to do them", thereby referring to Amber as the new version of a succubus. Yes. A successful woman who is also woke is a servant for Satan. I guess to be a real woman and to be free from Satan you have to be broke like Tatsuya and worship Tatsuya.

Oh. I meant "feminism". "You must worship FEMINISM." It's gotta be Tatsuya's feminism though or you aren't a real feminist.

I'm not even a feminist and his line of reasoning STILL makes me shake my head in behalf of other feminists.

Speaking of which...I know it's been going on for a while, but isn't kind of strange how the social justice movement just super fractured into these two parties within these last few years?

I see a couple of vain efforts by Tatsuya to make villains of the right on Spinster, but he has been going after the left in the majority of his comic for a year now.

Also, thank you Hexopedia for sharing that comic. It would only make sense that Tatsuya would dream up something like a singing vagina.

Edited by Gibson35 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 10:55:08 AM

What I don't understand is why Tats would not want to think about vaginas! Vaginas are wonderful!

"If those aren't honorifics, then they have one hell of a tangled family tree!"

Just for laughs I sat down and drawn out just how◊ can this come to be.

Mr Green and Ms Yellow beget Ms Blue. Ms Blue and Mr Blue beget Nana. Mr Green and Nana^note Who in this setup would be his grand daughter then beget Hecate.

Now if we also consider Mr Green = Mr Blue, then it lines up into a neat little column.

Edited by Adannor on Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:43:06 PM

"I'm my ooownnn grandpa!" ♪♬♩

Seriously, see my update above. But it raises more questions than it answers.

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 23rd 2019 at 1:26:48 AM

Either way she's not going back ever.

Also what are the chances that the card Amber gave to her has hidden location-tracking device?

What would be the point? She was so poorly "hidden" that even a television executive found her.

Today's comic was pretty funny. The comedy is really starting to come back now that Tats has let up on the activism.

See https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2016-06-01. Blue warns Fuchsia to be careful. I don't know what reason Tats would have for everyone finding her easier that satan, but if satan is not searching for her, Blue would probably know that. Either way, something isn't logical.

Edit: Ok, given that at https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2018-04-11 she says "D-man's been going easy on you" I guess that my question was a bit silly.

Edited by feaaaa on Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:54:45 PM

Fuchsia isn't a total radical feminist. She's not quite blind to irony.

Toss her back into the pot! She's not done yet!

Edited by hayate666 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:30:22 PM

Maybe Satan is Nana's son! And if Hekate is also Nana's daugher, then they had some nice incest to have Vainglorious, and then another child of Nana had Xanthe, which means she is niece of both Satan and Hekate. And... I forgot why I had to include D-guy in the family tree.

Xanthe's surname is Justice, and Nana is "Mother Justice" If the naming convention is patrilineal (and it might not be for witches), then Nana must have had at least one son — Xanthe's father. Perhaps two sons, if Hekate also married one.

And if Nana is "Mother Justice," then she must have married a guy whose last name was Justice. I like the idea that someone else advanced a couple of years ago that Nana married a superhero named Captain Justice. Hey, we have witches, we have angels, we have giant robots, we have demigods ... why not superheroes, too?

On the other hand, there's an Angel of Justice, named Raguel. It might've been him.

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:25:36 AM