Anime you like but have a fanbase you can't tolerate.

Respect, please. You won't hear me shutting you up, so try to be civil in exchange.

And Kishimoto will stop being sexist the day his female characters stop being sidepieces to the guys, and the day he stops playing both genders as actual equals in a world that doesn't even have the 'historical piece' reason going for it. Until then, the fact there are mangaka who are even worse than him at it doesn't excuse him of his own flaws.

I'd never call the first 6-7 episodes terrible, they do have a definite charm and sense of fun to them, but yeah, compared to what comes after, they're pretty trite.

The thing about TTGL that some fans and haters of the show alike just don't get is that it ISN'T just about hot blood and shouting loudly - this very fact is addressed in the show itself. It's about moving forward, growth, improvement, acceptance - evolution. As Simon said, 'with each revolution we move forward. That's a drill!'

Because I choose to.

In fairness, five episodes is basically the length of the film, so its not unreasonable to say "bugger this for a game of soldiers" after that long.

Personally, I have to admit I'm not overly taken with Hot Blood, and as such, while I liked TTGL, I don't regard it as the best thing ever. That said, Arilou, I would greatly encourage you to see it to the end. Its a far smarter and ambitious show than it initially appears. In a snense, the latter two thirds of the show could be called an examination of the extent to which Kamina was wrong.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:22:59 PM by KillerRabbit

They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams for an instant, then it's night once more

Of course I know it's smarter than that (and I was not entirely serious if it wasn't noticeable :p) But that doesen't mean it's something I'm willing to put up with.

I can put up with a lot of stuff if there's some kind of interesting idea or promise at the end, something new and/or intriguing. TTGL just didn't give me anything that would make me put up with the shouting.

And remember, I'm swedish, we're allergic to emotional outbursts :p Unless they are ones of profound and utter despair.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:27:06 PM by Arilou

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent

Then I'd say you would like it if you watched it all the way. I'd say it does have plenty of ideas, especially in the latter third. It's not just retreading old mecha tropes, it's synthesizing them into something new.

Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.

That's...really stretching it. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's total bullshit. Kamina's philosophy was basically "keep moving forward and never give up" which is pretty much the message of the show to the very end.

I guess it is.

'''ZETSUBOU-SHITTA!!'''.

Which is, while not a bad message, a pretty trite one, and not enough to make me actually follow it.

Especially not when accompanied by stupidity like galaxy-shurikens.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent

@ Nyktos: That's why I said "extent". Kamina's creed still stands at the end, as becomes most clear but he breaks everyone out of lotus eater fantasy, but it stands with lots of caveats.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:35:41 PM by KillerRabbit

They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams for an instant, then it's night once more

Kind of

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent

@Killer: I guess I can sorta see it, but it's a huge stretch to say that the show is "about" that at any point.

I guess it is.

Anyway, I think dismissing the show without giving it a chance is still a mistake.

Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.

The Digimon fandom. If they aren't thinking that season 3 ruined the series (which I used to think, until I actually watched the whole series) then it's Frontier/Data Squad.

The Bleach "fandom" too. Almost everyone acts like the series is utter shite when pretty much every flaw they percieve is more accurate for describing Naruto.

Looks like Arilou's got a serious case of Green Eggs And Ham, huh?

I'd recommend watching it, but not to the very end. And by that I mean the ending. Yeesh.

^ I don't think anything's ruined Digimon but Frontier and Savers have left more to be desired....

And that wasn't a complaint about the Bleach fandom, but the hatedom. And it was basically insisting that a series you like doesn't have the flaws a series you don't like has, which is BS. Me, I'd say Bleach is just as bad as Naruto, if not worse.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:48:39 PM by ManwiththePlan

@ Nyktos: Ahhh, I see you don't grasp lit-crit jargon. Whenever you see "in a sense" think "this is complete rubbish, but I think its interesting so I'll say it anyway". While its certainly not the main theme or anything, I do think that Simon's surpassing of Kamina is one of the major dramatic arcs of the show, and would probably be infuriated by the worship of Kamina if I ever exposed myself to it.

And Arilou, as a representative of the only people on earth obsessively restrained enough to invent cricket, I'm afraid your Sweedishness is not an excuse. And regarding the galaxy shuriken, because I want to use this line at least once when its not reffering to naked bosoms, their presence is totally justified in context.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:46:53 PM by KillerRabbit

They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams for an instant, then it's night once more

Any context that would justify galaxy-shurikens is a context I have no interest in.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent

Are you referring to Nia's death or the epilogue?

I guess it is.

^^...

That's a pretty closed minded statement right there. That's... that's just closed minded is what that is.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:50:57 PM by Gilphon

Yeah, really. Any time someone says "Any show with Element X is something I don't care about," I feel absolutely zero remorse at telling them they're full of shit. Which you are.

Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.

I wasn't saying Bleach is perfect, there's plenty of anime I like better. Just that I don't see how anyone can say it's horrible.

Good lord people, he's talking about not watching a show, not refusing to enter the bloody Louvre. 25 episodes is hardly an insignificant commitment of time. I'd still watch it in his position, but insulting someone for not being interested in something you like only makes you look like a jackass. This thread is rapidly running the risk of becoming an example of its subject.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:57:33 PM by KillerRabbit

They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams for an instant, then it's night once more

@Nyktos: Both, but particularly the epilogue. I could deal with Nia dying but Simon becoming a world-wandering hobo? From a series of GL's tone, I'd expect something more idealistic.

@Troper Roxas: Difference of opinion, and while some of them can be stupid, some of them can be well-founded too. I mean, to use your namesake series as an example, I don't agree with the Kingdom Hearts Hatedom in general, but find some of their arguments on how Nomura has screwed things up perfectly reasonable.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:57:48 PM by ManwiththePlan

^^^ Bleach used to be good. Now it is So Bad, It's Good.

It's much more entertaining if you think of it as 'The Aizen Trolling Show'.

edited 4th Aug '10 4:57:42 PM by OverMaster?!

I thought the ending to TTGL was perfectly in keeping with the spirit of the show and anyone who didn't like it was just complaining. I especially hate it when people claim that Nia should have been resurrected. Bullshit.

Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember them, you are not alone.

No, really. I have no interest in watching that kind of stuff. If there had been something that I found interesting in the show (some interesting character, theme, or plain idea) I might have wanted it for that.

But I have no interest in seeing galaxy-sized shurikens for the hell of it, and no one has provided a compelling reason to watch it despite that, so why *should* I watch it?

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent