Primos (Disney Show From Natasha Kline)

Nah, even the most well received public figure is gonna get haters, it's important to tough out the negative responses instead of falling to the haters' levels (like the unprofessional responses she had made over the backlash), otherwise that just calls and begs for larger angry mobs.

chuck lorre vanity card

Time and time again, this rhetoric is used to justify and downplay harassment campaigns and has been proven to be full of shit. "Just tough it out" is unhelpful.

Hell, this discussion has been full of a lot of misinformation being spread. I've seen people alleging that it was the creator, Natasha Kline, who made the Instagram video. Myrna Velasco, the voice actress, was who made it. And yes, I agree her response was kneejerk tonedeaf nonsense, but for fuck's sake, don't downplay that the backlash has been disproportional and led to this kind of dumb response happening in the first place.

I do feel like the voice actress making that video wasn't the best move, and all parties should waited on Disney PR and marketing to figure out a good recovery strategy. As it is, the kneejerk reaction that resulted in her making the video didn't help the issue, and I'm not sure what the Mouse is going to do to handle this backlash.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jun 15th 2023 at 11:19:54 AM

Maybe get Dana Terrace?

I'm Latin American born and living in Chile. For now I just wanted to add that I fear that present a new show where virtually the only selling point is that it's a representation of a specific culture in another country —rather than some hook about the actual plot and its characters— is always going to sound «suspicious» (both to people of the culture itself and others). Not even the title is very creative. Not that there's anything wrong with having a show with a looser premise, but still.

Why her? This is not her fight. Terrace isn't Hispanic, and based Luz off of Luz Batista, who is. Maybe they could get Luz Batista to say something, but I think she'd feel weird about being used as a human meat shield.

Edited by sudrictoon on Jun 15th 2023 at 11:28:20 AM

We are the best friends, we stand as one. Whatever life may bring, we are never alone.

I was joking around.

I see

We are the best friends, we stand as one. Whatever life may bring, we are never alone.

Said Myrna actor is definitely screwy on the head at the very least, not just the kneejerk response.

Like calling her own ancestry as a 'sh*thole country' and just boasting she grew up in the states. You can't make this up.

chuck lorre vanity card

Yeah no, people have been pointing out that she meant that sarcastically to mock that infamous comment Trump had made about "shithole countries".

Yet more disinformation to encourage harassing people.

Frankly it's pissing me off that the entire crew of the series is being slammed over Velasco's comments, when she's just a voice actor.

Edited by Diana1969 on Jun 15th 2023 at 10:40:39 AM

I do see the #immigrantsmakeamericagreat hashtag, so i doubt she actually thinks that lowly of her country of origin. Though it is pretty hard to see it as it's not madee clear but well, that doesn't matter.

What matters is, this whole debacle is a pretty disastrous showing of the show, and while harassing did not make this better and it's not good in any way, this could've been handled better by everyone.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)

At this point I can see Disney dropping Myrna altogether (the voice actor that's making everything worse) and restructuring the show with a new name and some better known latin cast that'll bring it some positive attention, that's if they don't just drop the full show on Disney+ with no fanfare so it dies a silent death with no second season. And we still don't even know if the show is any good or not...

Velasco's responses are the ones that are being singled out by people, but they're either claimed to be Kline's responses (and hell, I'll admit I initially thought they were Kline's responses until I looked closer) or are alleged to be representative of the entire crew...which, again, is stupid.

I don't like how Velasco has responded to this. I think a lot of her comments have been idiotic. But she's not the one who wrote the show or designed the characters or anything else. What she's saying can't be used against the whole crew.

that's why I think Disney's (and the crew's) best option is to disavow Myrna immediately. Sad but that's the best hope for the show not being pulled. Engaging like that with "haters" or critics is dumb when you're a public figure.

Natasha shutting down all discussion by going private is unfortunate, but at least it doesn't hurt the show or the brand or herself like what Myrna is doing by doubling down on it.

Not the worst choice actually.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice. (also i'm fluid now)

It would hardly be the first time a voice actor on a Disney series replied in a foot-in-mouth manner to harassment. One of the VA's on Pickle and Peanut did the same thing and nothing happened.

That and Batista is Dominican, not Mexican.

Honestly the biggest takeaway I have got out of all of this is that there should probbaly be more protocols regarding how to handle public reception specially in a company as big as Disney. I understand why the actress reacted the way she did taking into account the circunstances but at the same time trying to rationalize against an angry mob at the heat of the moment isn't the brightest idea and would just result in more chaos, what the actual creator did was probably the example for other crew members to follow if the harrassment gets really bad (which is a guarantee in this context), simply privating their social media and wait for things to cool down and discuss things with the rest of the crew (and some staff that handles PR if that's an option) on how to respond eventually in a calm, rational and professional manner.

Dr. Amigo es dios

So far I will said as always it feel there is a lot of issue both good and bad being roll into one.

on one hand in the technical field as proper it looks....kinda ugly? the art desing dosent hell and for many it feels like a loud house rip off or blatant follow the leader but with representation as hook which dosent feel too inspiring, one can said to have a "wait and see" but also isnt wrong to not trust the final product, look velma after all, the end product end being even worst that any expectation and those were PRETTY fucking low.

now and here is the issue is that no only there is values dissonance, there is the ignorance said dissonance exist in the first place and I mean the split between US born latinos or latin decended and....mainland latinos? homeland latinos? dunno the term, find one for me if you can.

Like the whole Primos thing in part happens because latinos in general tend dislike how US latinos often speak spanglish or clear show they are english primary speakers in general, specially when US often single out for not speaking perfect english(like, I would admit it took me out when I saw betty NY speak in such a way) for us this kinda have a strike.

On ther other hand and this is probably the biggest issue here that will cause controversy is that many "Homeland" latinos just plain dont see US born latinos as latinos in general but just usonians who speak spanish and share some cultural traits at best or just no white usonian unbacked experience at worst.

This at the very least explain some of the backlash and why it bother so many people in general. for many encanto feel it was make for us first while this feel for other audience and while is okay in general, the fact the dissonance is never point out(and many just plain refuse to see it) means this will happen.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

The backlash alone makes me what Disney will do with the show once its aired it's share of epsiodes,if they think its generating constant negative public relations they might decide not to renew it when the time comes

Come to think of it,they've not even released a pilot (I know, the pilot aren't always released publicly but its not unheard of to release the pilot to build hype for the show,which is basically what they did with the intro )

New theme music also a box

...Is this a thing? I've always figured that if you're publicly releasing a show's pilot episode, it's at the point where you haven't greenlit the thing for full series; you're using your channel's actual viewership as a test audience. And Disney has never done that with their programming, AFAIK.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jun 16th 2023 at 7:37:21 AM

> I've always figured that if you're publicly releasing a show's pilot episode, it's at the point where you haven't greenlit the thing for full series; you're using your channel's actual viewership as a test audience

that's probably what I meant to say

New theme music also a box

They are generally called diaspora folk.

Honestly, what gets me about this show is that Disney TVA shows in this day and age usually kill it with cultural representation. Moon Girl and the Proud Family reboot (from what I hear) have great African-American rep, Amphibia and Molly Mc Gee have mastered the art of Thai rep (with the latter show even having an episode where Molly feels insecure about “not being Thai enough” that’s bound to hit home for many minorities), and even in the realm of Latin American representation, Owl House ran circles around this (and even then, it wasn’t perfect.) I don’t know, it just makes it that much less forgivable to me.

“Now! Let us engage in the art of deduction!”

Honestly, the tone I get from this backlash is that this message is apparently bullshit, and if your experience growing up doesn't fall in line with what is expected of your minority group, then you're not allowed to claim any part of that identity. Like, the combination of misinformation and the lead voice actress's poor kneejerk response has created this environment where we're yelling at someone for not being Hispanic enough. And maybe the show will be shit, maybe it won't, but it feels weird that part of this whole thing involves telling someone who pitched a show based on their own childhood that they didn't research their own life enough.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jun 16th 2023 at 8:04:18 AM