Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

What are your thoughts on the GD final map?

Felix and Annette will be your top hitters. Constance is also devastating.

Felix and Annette are like total opposites, that's why I dislike their ship.

I found it pretty easy-I only lost one unit and that was because Gautier got a lucky crit on Raphael during his counter-attack. However, I was also kind of overlevelled cause during that run I did way more side battles than before, I think both Byleth and Claude were level 50, with the rest not far behind.

The idea of the 10 Elites being personal shields for Nemesis was a neat thematic touch, I felt.

Well they were better than the Deadlords from FE 4. Basically this game is just an FE 4 fanfic.

Since I have to replay Golden Deer for the 3rd time to get the Balthus' supports with Claude, is this a good route to try "Everyone is a Wyvern Lord"?

Of course, when I redo BL for Hapi/Dimitri, I plan on trying the "Nemesis and the Elites" run. (Wish me luck getting Dark Knight Dimitri!)

Edited by Smasher on Nov 15th 2020 at 1:40:59 PM

People tempt you to do it, but never do it. Battalions is too good to pass up and depending on your patience, it just not worth it.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Nov 15th 2020 at 10:43:39 AM

Yeah, it's just a meme. Not everyone is practical in, or even just getting to, Wyvern Lord, strong as it is. If you know what you're doing, you can actually get enough flying battalions for an army that fills almost every slot with fliers, but you're probably going to encounter frustrations if this is just being done on a whim.

Wyvern are the Horses of FE 3H.

IIRC Dimitri only learns two Reason spells, so he won't even really be able to rely on magic as a Dark Knight.

...also, can we talk about how Blaiddyd spawns right next to your army. As a cavalry unit. On a route where you naturally have Lysithea.

Leonie: Hah!
Blaiddyd: Hrngh!
Leonie: I WILL DESTROY YOU!
Lysithea: Oh, Leonie, you took a hit. Let me heal you.
Leonie: Thanks, Lysithea! We make a pretty good team.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Nov 15th 2020 at 9:27:36 AM

Like, the only best Wyvern are someone who can realistically reach it anyways. Any one that specializes in axes, flying, or both will reach Wyvern Rider as soon as it is possible to class change them.

x4 Eh, not sure I'd really put it that way. Fliers are almost always pretty strong, and historically each game has had at least one flier who stands above even the Paladins. Three Houses is just one of the few games that really lets you spam them if you're determined enough. I still advocate a flier/cavalry mix because both cover each others' weaknesses without sacrificing much mobility.

x3 Just goes to show Nemesis is all brute, and no strategy.

They also typically want bow proficiency—or at least to not have a bane in it. Bows on fliers is just too dumb to ignore, not to mention that Wyverns in particular really love dipping Archer for Hit +20 because axe base Hit is ass.

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Nov 15th 2020 at 4:09:58 AM

And has decent power and bulk, with some decent speed, because what's the point of going to flying classes when you are just gonna die like the rest.

@Yn K No wonder he lost to Seiros despite having the superior weapon and Power, he cannot think properly.

Also Blayddid has an tile that increases his avoidance, so it's not too bad, I just wished that the 10 Elites had combat arts and maybe we could have made Dark Magic be seperated from Anima Magic and call it Nature magic. The Master class would be Mage Knight.

But imagine an armoured Wyvernlord with the Wyvern being covered in Armour.

Edited by Tropetalker on Nov 15th 2020 at 11:24:36 AM

Well, for one, there's a lot of parts of maps that just kind of break because of flier mobility. There's an awful lot of cliffs, water and buildings that greatly inconvenience ground units, but turn fliers into the ultimate troll. Someone who is squishy, but has a good amount of Str can do some really stupid hit-and-run shenanigans with bows (or spells, in the case of Dark Fliers). Although, I guess a case can also be made for high-Str, squishy units with good bow proficiency to go Sniper and pick up Hunter's Volley.

Who can make it as a Wyvern Rider/Lord?

(Sidenote: Wyvern Lord and Wyvern Master should have had their names switched).

• Claude: He's pretty well-suited to it, but his unique classes are just more useful.
• Hilda: Pretty darn effective.
• Lorenz: Sure, he can work, and can make full use of the Axe of Ukonvasara. I find him more useful as a Dark Knight, but that's me.
• Leonie: No specific weaknesses. She'll do well, but then again she is Leonie.
• Raphael: Strong in axes but weak in flying. He can pull it off, but only if you decide at the very beginning to put him on the wyvern line and then never deviate.
• Ignatz: I guess, but he's more useful as a Sniper or Assassin.
• Marianne: What? No.
• Lysithea: Fuck no. Lysithea is only useful as a spellcaster.

• Dimitri: Sure, why not.
• Dedue: Same issues as Raphael, plus he's unavailable for 25% of the game. You have to be really determined to pull it off.
• Felix: He'll do well, because he's Felix.
• Ashe: No specific obstacles.
• Ingrid: She's geared towards pegasi, but can do wyverns if you want.
• Sylvain: He's strong in axes and lances and not weak in flying. Definitely viable.
• Annette: Surprisingly viable. Her Str growth isn't the worst and she has Crusher to do magic damage.
• Mercedes: You are kidding, right?
• Gilbert: Just about possible. He comes with B+ in axes and lances, so if you keep training him exclusively in flying he can possibly get there.

• Edelgard: A good choice.
• Hubert: A bad choice.
• Ferdinand: A good choice.
• Caspar: Strong in axes, neutral in flying. He can do it.
• Linhardt: He can't.
• Petra: She absolutely can; indeed, Wyvern Rider is one of her canonical classes.
• Dorothea: Why would you even try?
• Bernadetta: No specific reason not to.

• Seteth: He starts as one.
• Flayn: While she is strong in flying, she should only invest in it if you're going Dark Flier.
• Catherine: Yeah, she'll do well, but then again she is Catherine.
• Shamir: More useful as a Sniper, but can pull off Wyvern Rider.
• Alois: Comes with an A in axes, but E and a weakness in flying. You have him slightly longer than Gilbert, but the odds are stacked against him.
• Cyril: You can take the boy out of Almyra, but it turns out you can't take Almyra out of the boy.
• Hannema: He really, really shouldn't be a Wyvern Rider.
• Manuela: Oh come on, at least try to take this seriously.

• Yuri: Weak in axes and flying. He'll have an even harder time than Raphael.
• Balthus: Comes with a D+ in axes and no weakness in flying. He can definitely do it.
• Constance: Why make her a Wyvern Rider when Dark Flier is available?
• Hapi: Her Str growth could be worse, and she's strong in flying with a hidden talent in axes. She can make Wyvern Rider if you decide to go that route, but she's more useful as a spellcaster.

Ferdinand has Seteth's crest so making him a Wyvern Rider is kinda logical. (Didn't help that he managed to absolutely suck as cavalry on my first Black Eagles run, but honestly everyone sucked on that run except Edelgard and Caspar.)

Dimitri and Bernadetta need extra training in axes since it's their weakness. Bernadetta can raise her flying skill faster via Pegasus Knight, though.

Both Hilda and Ashe can ask to be trained for the Wyvern Rider class. For Hilda, this is a great choice since she can't be a War Master anyway (unlike her cheater clone on AM) and gets stuck as a Warrior, but can be a Wyvern Lord.

Wyvern Lord Annette makes a weird amount of sense considering Dominic was one.

Edited by YnK on Nov 16th 2020 at 5:26:59 AM

Dimitri is definitely one of the ones who fall into the bad meme category.

Bernie would prefer to run Falcon Knight over Wyvern, since if she's focusing on melee, she's probably running Vengeance, which is locked to lances.

Ferd would prefer taking a cavalry line and going Paladin because of Swift Strikes. Similarly, Cyril wants to be either a Paladin (Vengeance) or Bow Knight (Point-Blank Volley).

How would all the units play out in AM, if we made them the same class as the 10 Elites from which they were descendant upon?

Felix can't be an Falcon Knight nor can Hilda be an War master(that's sexist game), so what to do?

Edited by Tropetalker on Nov 16th 2020 at 6:14:51 PM

Hmmm, well, let's see.

• Dimitri as a Dark Knight would be like a worse Death Knight. His poor spell list and Mag would mean he'd only be tickling stuff even if he did hit (just like Jeritza).
• Annette would be pretty meh as a Wyvern Lord until she gets her hands on Crusher. It's really pretty questionable because she loses access to her spells, which are her big advantage. Flight is nice to have but, like, there's no denying this is not a great journey when Dark Flier exists.
• Felix's closest approximation would be a Wyvern Lord. Might be a little slow going getting there thanks to no boons, but he's usually strong enough to do well in anything. If he could actually be a Falcon Knight, his tendency toward high Spd would probably synergize pretty well with is for quadding shenanigans.
• Ingrid as a Holy Knight would be pretty not great, but that's at least partly because there's really nothing good about Holy Knight. Faith has such bad attack spells that Holy Knight is just inferior Dark Knight in every way.
• Lorenz would not be notable as a Bishop. The main reasons to go Bishop over Warlock are typically Physic and Warp, which he has neither of. He's much better at offensive magic.
• Hilda's closest approximation would be Warrior. It'd be pretty standard Hilda axe things in that her base Hit is garbage, but she's got lots of Atk. Would pretty much need to dip Archer for Hit +20. If she could be a War Master, I don't see much changing, since it's basically just better Warrior under most circumstances.
• Sylvain as a Great Knight should do fine tanking, I guess. It's not a particularly amazing class, but both he and it tend toward bulk, so if nothing else, he can wall physical enemies.
• Catherine and Lysithea would probably do fine, but in spite of Mortal Savant being an unfortunate joke. Catherine would presumably stick with swords and just be a weaker, but somewhat bulkier Swordmaster/Assassin. Lysithea would be the same on the magic side. Weaker damage compared to Gremory, but more bulk (though it's questionable whether it would make any sort of difference).
• Mercedes as a Gremory would be pretty standard. I don't think there's much to be said here.
• Claude can't be recruited for AM, which kind of leaves Riegan dangling. I guess in this case Byleth could just take his place. Or I guess do that New Game+ stuff with someone. Bow Knight is a pretty strong class, so anyone with decent-to-high Str shouldn't have any issues. If we're picking strictly from the remaining Lions, it leads to a bit of an awkward place. Dedue has a Riding bane, but high Str, meaning his performance will be okay, but it'll take forever and a day to get there. Ashe is a natural Bow Knight, but only if his Str growth doesn't fizzle out (which means he then has to go Sniper to salvage him).

I actually ended up with Lysithea as a Mortal Savant and not a Gremory in my Golden Deer run. It didnt make much of a difference to her being a Warlock but her Faith was too low for Gremory.

I think I had her attack with a sword exactly once.

Sylvain is a Great Knight as an enemy on CF.

Lysithea works as a Mortal Savant (and can use Thunderbrand), but there isn't much point in having her use swords when she fries stuff with magic.

Lys, unfortunately, is kind of screwed over when it comes to Warlock (granted, her other advantages make this not a huge deal). All her magic is Dark, so she doesn't benefit from the Black Tomefaire, and unlike Mage, there's no free Fire. It basically gets her 5-6 extra Def to certify it.

Back before Dark Flier was a thing, I used to do it when I had spare Advanced Seals to burn, but never actually put her in the class. I preferred to keep her as Mage for Fire to give her a lighter, more accurate base spell. However, the usual, popular optimization was to make her a Bishop for the extra Warp charge. Now that we have the ridiculous Dark Flier (or Valkyrie, which is nearly as good), it's generally her best choice, but sometimes she might still want to be Bishop or Gremory for Warp.

EDIT: Right, but he's got inflated enemy stats, so that's not a great way to judge. Player Great Knights tend to not be as good, if for no other reason than the requirements make it a pain to get there.

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Nov 16th 2020 at 12:23:29 PM

The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard, after all. (Ferdie is the one with the proficiencies for Great Knight, and it's still not really worth it.)