Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

x6 Edelgard's shenanigans do end up getting rid of the nobility's main excuse for their Crest stuff, so whether Edelgard is right or wrong about the Nabateans (which she is and shouldn't be up to discussion) or is hysterically irrelevant in the long run. There's obviously more than one way to do it and conquest is the path she chose to do so.

Also you didn't answer the original question Omega.

Let's all chill for a bit.

What memes can i give Dimitri? I like the idea he's totally radical and far-out.

Sothis('s crest stone) ending up back at the monastery was a coincidence, though. Who knows, maybe Rhea would've calmed down and eventually dropped the whole thing otherwise.

And El is technically trying to fix her ancestor's "mistake" of allowing Rhea's family to rule Fodlan, so even without her whole Adrestia restoration goal she is driven by the past. That's why her never realizing that even her exclusive info on Seiros is incomplete is a thing, since she aims to discard said past entirely rather than learn from it.

I wasnt answering that question, but the answer is yes, Rhea would have cared for them, because Byleth is also family, just as their mother was, and for all the hoops Rhea goes through just to keep Sitri in a spot where she can spy on her from time to time, completely separate from her Mothers Crest Stone.

And if Edelgard was to have a point, the game would have had all the nations united with Rhea to lead a charge against the Empire if Rhea had that level of power. Rhea has soft power, and even her hard power can barely handle the rampant Banditry.

x2 Theres Moral Authority, and a Rulers Authority. These things can exist separately. In that regards, Rhea represents Moral Authority(One which the Nobles pay lip service too at best) and then theres the authority of a ruler.

The whole thing with Edelgard is that shes not a moral authority, even on her own route, and always picks the most ruthless and cruel options or flips flops on what she wants in between conversations, which is why she follows the Hegemons Path in the first place.

God embodies moral authority as well. Thats exactly what they mean by Sothis leading Fodlan. They embody the moral authority to guide humans down the right path.

Also the idea Edelgard stepping down I wnat to make clear does not invalidate the Divine Right of Kings according to the Mandate, because the Mandate subscribes that those who can end up ruling can be commoners of no status. So long as they have Heaven on their side, they can rule justly.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 31st 2020 at 2:43:21 AM

It's interesting that Edelgard considers it a horrible injustice that Seiros and Wilhelm founded the Empire in order that humans would be subjugated by dragons, yet also considers it a horrible injustice that there are parts of Fódlan which aren't part of that very empire.

This is a good place to start meming Dimitri:

x4 My bad. I didn't mean for the last sentence to sound as rude as it did.

As for Dimitri, I guess you could add his love for weeds into the meme and it would do wonders.

x2 Interesting stuff. For me, the question still remains if Rhea would've given Byleth her spot regardless of the outcome the Holy Tomb ceremony had, and I blame the sheer ambiguity of the whole event + Edelgard's army arriving right at her doorstep 2 weeks past the crest stone heist for that.

And yeah, CF being Dramatic Irony incarnate feels fairly deliberate at times, even more so if you've already done any of the other routes prior.

Damn Joe's good.

Edited by Blackress on Jul 31st 2020 at 5:16:35 AM

But what's it doing with all the Dramatic Irony? Hey, look, Edelgard is making world-changing descisions based on incomplete or inaccurate information, and... everything plays out like she's totally right about everything. There are no negative consequences or repercussions to her ignorance. Edelgard is just so wonderful and just and good and perfect that she's right even when she's wrong. And isn't she just so kawaii? Just ignore the whole trying to murder Dimitri and Claude for power thing...

@ Red: It's not Dimitri-related, but here's this:

• Catherine, looking at a map of the world: What the? It's all Dagda!
• Shamir, knocking an arrow behind her: Always has been.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Jul 31st 2020 at 6:18:52 AM

A fevered post on how Edelgard’s route is too soft on her? Must be a day that ends in “y”.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jul 31st 2020 at 6:09:02 AM

Jepp! Some things never change. My opinion on Crimson flower is one of them.

Neither your position nor the worked-up way you express it (can you honestly tell me that paragraph was a reasonable argument).

Honestly, peeking in just to see this same absolutism, especially after you dropped in two separate, to be blunt, rants on how the game portrays the Church as utterly without value or redeemable qualities and how it’s constantly kissing Edelgard’s boots, it’s.

It’s bloody tiring.

Dimitri's route is all about his flaws as a character and how he learns to overcome them.

How does Edelgard change as a character across her route?

@Tambourine: I meant dramatic irony in the sense Byleth switching sides in CF unintentionally kickstarts a domino effect which turns Rhea and her Church into something resembling the power-hungry, powerful and evil organization Edelgard believes them to be, which is a stark contrast to every other route where the Rhea-less Church is flat out the unambiguous good guy on the conflict. Even Rhea's class description in the final battle of the route lampshades this:

I mean, it is the only route where the standard plot goes Off the Rails so...

Edited by Blackress on Jul 31st 2020 at 7:00:39 AM

Well with Omega's statements, perhaps we can act like Crimson Flower is a massive break in reality?

Like what happens if the protagonist joins the dark side + protagonist centered morality = Crimson Flowers?

HA!

Also, wow i missed quite a bit.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 31st 2020 at 6:51:21 AM

I'm not here to argue with you about this, I'm here to say "take a chill pill".

Going off like this ("Edelgard is just so wonderful and just and good and perfect that she's right even when she's wrong. And isn't she just so kawaii? Just ignore the whole trying to murder Dimitri and Claude for power thing...") doesn't make what you say look reasonable. It often comes off like a massive exaggeration. Who can see the argument behind the hyperbole?

Heck, Crimson Flower isn't even joining the dark side. The true joining the dark side route would be a hypothetical Agarthan route. ...Violet Structure?

Honestly, i say we join the Agarthans and blow up Fodlan. After killing Kronya of course. Keep Solon, he's vaguely competent.

Then throw Thales into a pit and take over.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 31st 2020 at 7:10:57 AM

I had an Idea for something like that. It ended with Byleth killing Thales, because I Can Rule Alone. And Thales had to lose somehow.

But Kronya's hot!

Yeah, but the clown makeup is really a turn off.

See, now that's how you do an evil route, by proving you are the biggest bad.

In the ending, i say Byleth should be sitting on a throne next to the corpses of Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude and Rhea.

Go all out. XD.

Counterpoint: she's still hot.

Edelfard is associated with darkness and is dripping with Antichrist imagery.

Like even her weapon isnt exempt despite being derived from Semitic mythology, because it the Crest Stone of the Beast resides in it, aka the Devil Arcana, and Aymr was the weapon of the God Baal who was demonized into Beelzebub/Bael/Berith/etc. aka sometimes another name for THE DEVIL.

Even on CF Edelgard still embraces all the antichrist imagery, Byleth just doesnt embrace the divine imagery associated with themselves on it.

Yeah but it's clown makeup.

Plus that hair? GAH.

Rule number one of dating bro, don't stick it in Agarthan incompetence.

Caspar: Hey Edelgard, we should do something about our image.

Edelgard: (in throne surrounded by corpses and demons torturing people, while reading Twilight.) Yes?

But seriously, maybe Edelgard should let me kill civilians and murder prisoners. Also let us burn Faerghus instead of Rhea.

If it's supposed to be the villain route then make Edelgard act like Zenos and Ashnard's love child.

Besides imagery is imagery, Batman uses demonic imagery and he thrives on Dark is not evil.

And he wouldn't at all support Edelgard.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 31st 2020 at 7:23:14 AM

She's also a protagonist, on the bloody cover. She's supposed to be palpable enough for you to join her.

I think its less that and just make it more clear how the war affects people more openly on her side and the willingness she will go to see it done. Its only on the other routes you see how the war affects people, like in the Empire itself in Hyrm, which Edelgard gets only some of in NPC dialogue.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 31st 2020 at 7:27:07 AM

Edelgard does not strike me as the kind of person who would commit war crimes for the hell of it. Some of her allies like Hubert or Jeritza, yes, but her? No.