Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

That's a problem with all the routes. Characters are demonized so players won't ever be challenged with "was this the right choice?"

But, yes, only Rhea really goes off the deep end. Claude is his same master tactician self and Dimitri is positively reasonable.

I can't really respond to what people are saying, I generally ignore game Disc Horse, but it would be considered a villainous route because you are directly working with and for the main antagonist and villains of the game. Can't really escape that part, even if it's with clenched teeth.

Edited by deludedmusings on Aug 30th 2019 at 6:28:13 PM

She's allied with the puppy kicking Slytherin House who have committed atrocities, and sure she doesn't like them or their methods, but, she is shown gathering Crest Stones to use for power. Which only have any value when Slytherin weaponizes them on innocents. Meaning for all her complaints about them she still employs their methods because it benefits her.

Even a good deal of her allies are terrible people in other nations. Those who side with her in the Kingdom on Non-BE routes? Nobility responsible for Duscur under Slytherin plant Cornelia. The Western Church fanatics as pawns(which are also responsible for swaying Lonato into a vain attempt at misguided justice), Metodey is literally cackling about the thought of killing everyone who stands in Edelgards way in the Holy Tomb, and the Alliance Nobles that side with her are the opportunistic and corrupt ones, or in Lysithea's families case tragic victims of Slytherin who sided with the empire out of fear of them continuing to do terrible things to them and their daughter after killing the rest of the family for the Crest Experiments after they tried to liberate a territory that was suffering unjustly under the Empire.

In fairness, Edelgard literally demonizes herself for the sake of her goals on Blue Lions.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:34:05 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

That said, the tensions between Those who Dubstep and the Empire is played up in this route, and we DO kill Cornelia in this route. And those who Dubstep nuke the base and kill several lives, so i can at least understand the teeth clenched teamwork. You know, just a mission where we kill Arundel would have alleviated some complaints.

It's also kind a missed chance in her route to show more of her non evil teammates like Ladislava, Fleche or Randolph, two of them die way to fast for development to kick in, and Fleche is not focused on much. More scenes in her route her she puts her foot down and stops the Slytherins from doing evil would have helped, the Hubert paralogue would have been a great chance.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:37:04 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

I found it really weird it just ends with just a text scroll to deal with the Slytherins. Especially considering how short the map is.

Well for starters Part II the story is about the main war.

Arundel and Edelgard agree that they'll stabilize the unified empire that rules Fodlan before any actions are taken against the other. He even says she'll have their support till and shes counting on it.

Then some+ years later do they actually engage in conflict and Slytherin loses, but if there's one thing they're good at its finding a way to survive no matter the route.

Like they never even learn about the Missiles coming from Shambhalla on Black Eagles so I'm not even sure I believe they deal with the cityt. But taking out Thales is enough to leave them too weak to do anything without Nemesis or Imperial Fanatics at their side.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:39:15 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

That's what makes me worry for the Blue Lions post game, even in the Golden Deer where they deal the biggest blow to the Slytherins, remnants still exist according to some epilogues, like Fem Byleth and Claude's, and mentions they were powerful enough to nearly defeat Byleth.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

It really makes me curious if/what part they'll play in DLC.

Probably because the Slytherins have won, and the writers go "Oh, yeah, that totally sorted itself out off-screen, don't worry about it". Those Who Dubstep are left in positions of power all over the continent, and can use the Javelins of Light to keep their puppet ruler in check.

Edited by Kayeka on Aug 30th 2019 at 10:40:15 AM

Well, no, the story directly says they haven't won. They get stomped on post-story.

We can disagree with the how, but that is what happened.

Edited by deludedmusings on Aug 30th 2019 at 6:42:55 PM

And even if they do kill Thales, they'll likely just bide their time for some more generations before acting.

BL they had all their cards stacked on Edelgard after Arundel is dead that it's not possible for them to come up with a similar plan for likely a long time. Which is why they only abandon the fight when their remaining commander dies.

They did win. Their main goal has always been exterminating the Nabateans and having humans rule over the world instead.

What they lost was their third objective of being the rulers leading humanity.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:44:04 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I just think if the Black Eagles took out the Slytherins, it would leave the Golden Deers befit of a unique antagonist. I mean, Edelgard and Hubert have the most information on them.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Ninjaed, right, question, why doesn't Thales just use the missiles to blow up the Monastary? If he's concerned about Rhea turning Dragon and blocking it, launch them when she's asleep.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

This is explained on the Church and Golden Deer routes. Supposedly, they tried, but a device located in the Holy Tomb deflected the missiles. The missiles than landed in the Valley of Torment, which is how it became to be the lava-ridden wasteland it is today.

Nemesis was plenty unique. OP Crest of Flames allowed him to raise an army of the dead and create a poisonous swamp that heals his legions and kills his foes.

But Slytherin was never Edelgards main objective. It was always "Dragons Bad. Church Bad. Destroy both".

Edelgards antagonism towards Rhea meant she'd never learn the truth about history, nor have a dragon valiantly save her from last ditch Missile Strike. It's very much presented as a war that would happen in the shadows instead of an open war. Unlike the other routes where war against them is made public on Church and Golden Deer.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

OH RIGHT, i forgot. Wait, does that mean the Valley of torment is radioactive?

You know a shadow war would be an interesting story, but it just HAD to be offscreen, kinda fitting yeah?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:50:01 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

What I want to know though is: Why do the Golems on BE have names in the final battle?

Hopefully its explained in DLC, because one being named Wilhelm and Rhea in her rant against Edelgard is very clear how much she hates her for besmirching Wilhelms name.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Speaking off, why do people think kill Arundel would cripple the Slytherins? I mean Arundel is the leader but i'm sure there is some sort of chain of command in case things like this would happen.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:52:37 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Because omly Arundel is shown to use the missiles and the remaining commander, Myson, even makes clear they're going Sunk Cost Fallacy with how much theyve done to perfect Edelgard into their weapon. That's why its the only battle where they are still aiding Edelgard on the non-BE routes. On Church and Golden Deer they've hightailed it out of there and Thales is alive, because Edelgard was able to find their base via Hubert as they informed her/her subordinate Death Knight about the Missile Strike before it happens.

Then if Myson on BL dies they finally relent and slink back to the Shadows.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 2:00:30 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Not after all this time, no. Also, I doubt that the Javelins of Light are actually nukes, despite the parallels. Because that's just how these sort of things work? Because Thales isn't the kind of guy that enjoys sharing power? Because you've also killed everyone else half-way important? because the ensuing power struggle will tear them apart from the inside?

Take a pick.

Excluding the Dark Bishop in the last fight with Nemesis we tend to kill the named Commanders with generic portrairs too.

Though I always wondered where the Demonic Beasts mentioned in Silver Snows final battle are at. I recall the one knight saying they were heading for Garreg Mach for some reason.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 2:05:13 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

But in the Golden Deer route we do way worse damage to them, and the epilogue for Fem Byleth and Claude states that a remnant of those who slither in the dark and remnants of the empire almost destroyed Fodlan before Claude came in, if they were able to pull that off, imagine what they could do in the Blue Lions post game.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Well, if they tried, I'm sure it would have come up in any of the epilogue text boxes.

Also, VW leaves Cornelia alive, so she may have functioned as a rally point.

Edited by Kayeka on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:33:16 PM

Speaking of her, she is so obviously a member of Those Who Slither In The Dark, i'm surprised the trope pages just say she's only hinted to be one. Sure she doesn't transform but c'mon guys.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Oh, man, yeah. "Cornelia used to be this super-kind woman that saved us all from a plague with the power of civil engineering, but after she stepped out for a carton of milk, her personality turned around completely. If only Solon was still alive, then we could ask if he had any records of something similar happening!"

But, technically, it was never confirmed in-game, so the trope page stands.

Edited by Kayeka on Aug 30th 2019 at 3:21:44 PM

Honestly I'm kind of disappointed that all the pro-Edelgard factions in the other kingdoms are either evil or forced to side with her rather than having their own noble but misguided intentions, and likewise most the scummy characters from the Kingdom and Alliance are pro-Empire rather than independently terrible to begin with. Rather takes away from the Grey-and-Gray Morality this game set up, and while the Empire does have non-evil leaders they're still exceptions that make the rule.