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It's also worth noting that the people who die in the IJA's plan wouldn't necessarily be people who disagree with them. It will be people who simply resist being brainwashed too much.

That too, as well as them being people who could be very valuable to the world as a whole.

Dang, it's hard to keep out of this thread until I finish streaming the week's episode

I agree that was a really good one. I liked the whole Ozymandias vibe going — not just the time change, but the 'I'm going to save the world, but I have to kill a lot of people to do it' thing. (Beyond the deaths, though, I find the brainwashing itself really, really problematic and not quite pushed back on enough. I may agree with all the stances in the manifesto but taking away people's free will and judgment is not cool.)

Yeah, especially since it's seizing their minds instead of making people more open. Though the effect it would have on an oil baron is something odd to think about

So I thought this show started off fairly weak, and while not great, has evolved into something very watchable. I look forward to sesaon two, hopefully with even more zany stuff, but I'm posting now because one thing about the season finale seems like it's worth weighing in on. SPOILERS BELOW:

Why do the Dr. Mid-Nite goggles feel pain? Or at least, why do they simulate pain by screaming in agony? What function does that serve? Is it to trick the audience into feeling bad so they don't notice that Beth is apparently more concerned with dead AR goggles than with Courtney's mom? Because I can't stop laughing at how they find Beth and the exchange basically boils down to:

Courtney: "Beth?" Beth: "He killed my goggles. T_T" Courtney: "Beth, where's my mom?" Beth: "... Oh Icicle took her. Probably should've led with that instead of sitting here mourning my bizarre, screaming goggles."

Honestly, I legitimately have not laughed that hard at a TV show since in a long time once I realized how off the structure of that conversation was and how just weird it all is. But I genuinely (if also a tad ironically) LOVE it. It's probably my favorite moment in the whole show.

Edited by Khfan429 on Aug 10th 2020 at 12:37:15 PM

Beth is a weirdo, what can you say.

I liked the character development for Rick and Mike's big moment.

Also, Yolanda was kind of a hypocrite. As for the CGI: How could it look so great on STRIPE and so bad on Grundy?

Honestly, the goggles seemed to be a fully sentient AI, one which I suspect is now 100% dead. So Beth mourning makes a level of sense.

I did very much love how Icicle went out. First Mike takes his dumpling, then he takes his life.

I found the character moments for Rick and Yolanda to be interesting. Both of them have contemplated killing an enemy before. But while Rick was very open about wanting to kill Grundy, he ended up being unable to do it while Yolanda discovered she could while not having that as her goal

So does Courtney's costume come with an internal heating system?

Why would "Henry" referring to the others as "her friends" set off a red flag? Henry never considered them his friends.

I’d say he did, remember he thought that Court was his cousin, he died trying to protect all of them. If he’d said something like “the others” it probably wouldn’t have set her off, but “your friends” implies that he doesn't know them at all

Especially since Henry seemed closest with Courtney while Yolanda was still mad at him

Ahhhh the freaking Shade! Eclipso? Hell yeah.

In addition tot hat, if and when they fight more JSA villains in future seasons, I hope Johnny Sorrow is one of them.

As for the episode. The scene between Rick and Yolanda was weird. Like, as a comic fan I know that killing Grundy is pointless because he'll just regen, as someone familiar with Starman that doing so is wrong because exploring Grundy's good side and humanity is an important thing for the series, and as a Genre Savvy fan I could tell they were going to do a "the vengeance is not worth it" thing with Rick, but it seemed out of the blue for Yolanda to be all "killing is wrong cause God says so" when she's been threatening to kill people all season and immediately after killed a guy then watched him bleed out on the floor. It seems almost like the whole point of the scene was just to hastily establish that Yolanda is actually against killing before she does it, to make offing Brainwave feel like a personal sacrifice.

But that didn't make me stop loving it. The Injustice Society members all folded too easy, but it was still a lot of good action.

Starman's not dead?!

I was a little surprised by Yolanda killing Brainwave....mostly because I don't get why he didn't just fry her brain from a distance, and fling her using telekenisis. Oh well. Live and learn Henry.

Shade was there the entire damn time. And now both he and Eclipso are in the pipe for next season. Hopefully, the real world will be less...insane so that can happen.

I have a lot of thoughts on this season finale but the biggest of all of them is Truck-kun has done it again killing off Icicle.

And he got a kid to help him this time. That Truck-kun is diabolical.

There's a lot of that this episode. Another one: why did Icicle destroy Chuck, but just leave Beth there relatively unharmed?

As much as I liked the fight, the Injustice Society got Conservation of Ninjutsu'd hard.

Jordan being killed by a kid driving a truck is karmic irony given how he killed Joey Zarick.

While the ISA are less powerful then they used to be it’s rather their own fault, The Shade left because of whatever, Wizard and Fiddler are killed by the ISA and Dragon King gets killed by his own creation.

combine that with Grundy and Brainwave both being late to the fight and Gambler being non-combat, the JSA only really fights 3-4 ISA members at once, two of which are the weakest members.

The ISA killed their own and never fought as a proper unit, which is what caused them to loose despite being collectively much more powerful than the JSA.

Also remember that Tigress killed the Fiddler, who could have taken out the kids, Pat and Justin well before they ever got close. To say nothing of her and Sportsmaster botching the initial assassination job in the first place.

Hell yeah, they didn't work together well. Add in years of not needing to be a in real fight, and I guess they just didn't gel like they did when they fought JSA classic.

Finale! (Hi, I'm again perpetually at least a day behind many of you because of CW's next-day streaming...)

I too was wondering how she wasn't freezing cold there in that snow scene.

With the adults out of the fight at first, it seemed like it was going to be a classic 'take the mentor(s) out of the picture so the newbies can really show what they can do without help and coincidentally up the danger' sort of thing, but it didn't really turn out that way, did it? They got Pat and Justin back fairly quickly.

It does seem like it could be the case with the Dr. Mid-Nite goggles, though. Poor Chuck and poor Beth! It could be good chance for Beth to get some character development if she's forced to do some of the same work without the help of the existing goggles or if they can only bring back some functionality, though.

An interview with Geoff Johns. He ensures fans that there will be nothing to worry about with season 2 being CW exclusive.

Filming will stay in Atlanta and they will be sticking with the same team. There is no confirmation if the budget remains the same.

Well, at the moment I'd be concerned about when it's safe to actually film in Atlanta, but other than that.

so lets see the shade, eclipso and clearly building up a injustice unlimted (issac, Artemis (she was a villian before young justice made her into a hero people forget this) and cameron) Grundy and gambler are still on the loose and i don't buy thats the real starman at all. Thats a lot of potential for season 2 right there

It's kind of interesting that despite how much people talked about Artemis this season, she only really got a cameo and barely any set-up. Especially since Fiddler's son got a whole subplot out of the blue in the last couple episodes.

I always assumed Young Justice Artemis was a composite of the villainous Artemis Crock and the heroic Artemis (who was an Amazon, occasional sidekick, and often depicted as an archer), since iirc Artemis Crock was never an archer before Young Justice made that her entire concept.

So it's a toss up what they'll do with this version, especially if they're going to go Truer to the Text.

Comics Artemis used a crossbow. And her YJ counterpart is more of a composite of her comics incarnation and Mia Dearden with some influences of Rose Wilson.

Personally, I prefer her YJ incarnations and hope they go in that direction.