Team Rocket Boss.
Do your coworkers bitch about wokeness?
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Rampardos Aficionado
The army is very conservative as a whole so yes.
But we're getting off topic here.
Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 16th 2023 at 8:34:02 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
Ah, we'd better stop this before we get too off-topic then.
So does anyone remember that vampire lady who carried the head of her dead husband?
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 16th 2023 at 11:35:12 PM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
That guy with the face
Yes, and she kept showing back up with his dead and decaying head as the season went on. What about her?
Qui odoratus est qui fecit.
Rampardos Aficionado
She dead now so who cares.
Floating in the water after trying to sneak Tera.
Team Rocket Boss.
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It sounds some kind of vampire urban legends like the RL Bathory bathing in the blood of Virgins.
Dunno, it just stood out to me as a character moment.
And makes me wonder how Lisa is right now.
Remember, in this universe, she's condemned to hell if she dies.
Ah, right.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 16th 2023 at 11:41:49 PM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Rampardos Aficionado
If I was Dracula I'd just turn her into a vampire then fuck off to my new castle, heard some animals and live in peace.
Not taking anymore chances.
The Head of the Hydra
Said vampire lady is the wife of the Marquise.
She cradles his head after Ricther kills him during the mid-season assault on the abby.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 16th 2023 at 8:55:54 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Team Rocket Boss.
Yeah at this point, it's unironically a better option to turn Lisa into a vampire if damnation awaits her.
Which has interesting implications if true, for Alucard's presence.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I did feel all the ladies were too harsh on Richter after that fiasco at the Chateau. He was the only one who didn't want to go guns blazing and he was called a coward for it IIRC.
He was called a coward because he ran away in the middle of battle, something that could have conceivably resulted in all of their deaths.
Which I will note is something that they notably didn't hold against him past the initial anger. It would've been more then justified to doubt his reliability but Tera and Maria were quick to explain his past. All things considered their reaction was even-handed and reasonable.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Team Rocket Boss.
No I was talking about the first time they spied on a building, got caught, fled, then regrouped back at the house.
The scene with the ladies is before Richter running away from Olrox.
No one ever brings up how it was Annette who accidentally gave away their location.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 17th 2023 at 12:12:17 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Rampardos Aficionado
Oh they do usually to bash on her.
I just use her screw up as the beginning to the joke that the heroes fail every raid mission.
Maria running into her dad's trap is the punchline.
Edited by FKJ10 on Oct 16th 2023 at 9:43:34 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
The latter is at least excusable because Maria was hoping she could talk some sense into him and castle underestimated how deep a rabbit hole her dad is committed to.
It’s some interesting character work.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I don't recall any Richter bashing after the Chateau Fight.
Annette blames herself more for abandoning Edourd. She never blames Richter or Maria.
In fact it's Richter who tries to assure Annette that it wasn't her fault.
Richter:The vampires and night creatures were coming from all directions, Annette. All we could do was retreat. None of this is your fault.
Annette: Edouard would never have abandoned me. [exhales, sniffles] And now he's dead.
Richter:He knew the risks when he chose to come here.
Annette: He was my family. I had no one after my mother died. After she was kiled.
Edited by burninganimefan357 on Oct 16th 2023 at 5:50:52 AM
I feel like a lot of the faults and shortcomings of the characters have been exaggerated by the crowd that dislikes the show. Bathory "cursing like a sailor" comes from a speech with a whopping 2 F-bombs in it to use another one I've seen on the tropes page.
Team Rocket Boss.
It's at the start of Episode 4, where Richter is against just charging the abbey without a plan.
Granted there is a bit where Maria does comfort Richter but I was with Richter in that scene, they just barely escaped last time.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 17th 2023 at 1:06:00 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
My presumption by that tweet was that it was some PR person that tried to take it out of context to throw some corporate girlboss message around. The whole message of that tweet is wrong if you actually know the relationships between those characters both casts.
Trevor wasn't humbled by Sypha, they both grew to be each others equals despite a initial rocky start. Like at the start they both had flaws and worked on them over time. There was never a moment were Trevor's usefulness was ever in doubt as he could match up to both Sypha's insane spellcasting (legitimately she is one of the best depictions of a active battle mage in media I have ever seen) and Alucard being a vampire powerhouse.
It is very obvious that they were trying somewhat to do the same with Richter and Annette but at a different angle. Annette and Richter's main flaws so to speak are related to their own traumas coming back to haunt them. For Annette she got angry and accidentally outed their teams position to the vampires which unfortunately got Edouard killed and for Richter he panicked and ran away once he saw Olrox. I actually can't recall if Sypha and Trevor ever really shared their own traumatic experiences with eachother on that level so I can appreciate a different attempt at bridging a gap between characters.
I would argue that the show intentionally was casting Annette as being more in the wrong in relation to how she initially acted. I think her arc was her coming to grips with the fact that she never actually did move on from what that slaver vampire did to her and that she unfairly was projecting onto Richter in regards to it. Both Maria and Tera didn't agree with her on how she was acting, hell even her mentor didn't agree with her either on it.
I think some people are overreacting in regards to how she was in the show. I can kinda see why as in a few cases in other shows I have seen characters like her be cast as completely in the right despite them being somewhat unfair considering the circumstances. Nocturne though doesn't really show her side as being in the right or wrong really, just flawed.
Edited by Feyspeaker on Oct 16th 2023 at 11:46:00 AM
I don't read that scene as being Richter bashing. Both sides have a point in that scene. They need to know if the Abbot is in league with the vampires or their prisoner. Richter is also correct that charging in badly without a plan isn't a good idea. Yes Annette is being a bit harsh saying that Richter is afraid and inexperienced. But she is also emotionally charged from Edourd's death and transformation into a night beast.
Tera is the one who reveals that there is a secret passage that they could use to scout out the situation without being discovered. It still goes badly for them but it isn't really there fault. They choose the same timing as when Drolta was visiting.
Team Rocket Boss.
Hmmmmm, fair enough.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Yeah, even Richter brings up "What, you're all calling me a coward just because I think we need to plan?" and Maria immediately tells him "Nobody's calling you a coward."
A big part of Anette's character development is that she's way too Leeroy Jenkins in her hatred of vampires and never really grows out of it until she has that talk with her mentor in the spirit world.
Edited by theLibrarian on Oct 17th 2023 at 3:32:19 AM
The Head of the Hydra
That moment where shows off the fleur mark she goes on a rant about how her experiences means she must never hold back and keep going forward.
Which is an understandable mindset to but one that is also a double-edged sword. As Annette's absolute determination leaves her with difficulty slowing down and letting people keep up with her because she always has to be strong. This affects her view of Richter as she doesn't understand that some people's trauma works differently.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2023 at 1:39:48 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Thinking back it's really quite impressive how they handled it, that's the kind of situation that has the potential to become very infuriating very quickly. But it didn't happen, instead the characters had their disagreements and then... got back together after some personal development.
It was almost absurdly chill and reasonable.
The writers avoided low hanging fruit and for that they have my eternal gratitude.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Team Rocket Boss.
So anyone wonder what happened to Belmont hold and the village? Alucard seemed to have bonded with the villagers. Maybe they are fine and off-camera or Alucard's relations deteriorated with them.
And looking back at the final Dracula and Lisa scene, they do make a promise to eventually have a talk with Alucard.
Very curious how that worked out.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
My assumption is that Alucard is still watching over them but he has basically retired completely from the human public eye pretty much which is why even the most recent Belmont thought he was a myth and Annette did not really know who he was.
The vampires seem to know who he is enough to know that him showing up is bad news for them. I have to wonder how Bathory will react to him really.
Pfft I'm in the army and I swear like it as well.
This is me speaking with a filter.