Marvel's Inhumans series

Eh, honestly, what is similar about this is so miniscule, it is hardly word mentioning. Those are archetypes you'll find in every story about an oppressed group. The conflict between Magneto and Professor X for example is pretty much taken from real live, contrasting the approaches of Martin Luther Kind and Malcolm X with each other. And characters which want to rule the world or can control other people are really dime to dozen. Loki for example also falls into that category.

I also freely admit that I have a personal hatred against the very brand Inhumans for forcefully trying to replace the X-Men, so yeah, biased and proud

It actually is kind of troublesome now.

Because what happens to Ms. Marvel and the other decent products of the Inhumans now?

Like...uhm...

Err...

Uh...

Okay, just Ms. Marvel

Hopefully, Squirrel Girl can go back to being a Mutant, though.

edited 22nd Mar '18 5:21:20 PM by CharlesPhipps

Nothing about Kamala Khan's character requires her to be an Inhuman. From what I know of her she's pretty divorced from the main Inhuman group. You can easily just introduce her as a girl with powers in one of Carol's movies.

Hopefully mutants can also go back to being non-sterialized.

Yeah, to be honest, Kamala has very little to do with the Inhumans. She's met up with the royal family like... twice? Maybe? Also, she's hung out with Lockjaw a bit. But that's about it really.

If Kamala ends up being a mutant, that will be the true gag of the season.

I saw this thread bumped up and had a frightening thought ABC renewed it.

Kamala will be whatever fits when they decide to introduce her. There have already been a number of characters switched around regarding the cause of their abilities.

You know, a good Inhumans movie could've been just like Black Panther. Main character is a king of a country that does some bad shit and he feels trapped by precedent and feels unable to change it. Villain shows up with a plan to change the country in the right way but goes way too far. Main character tells precedent to screw itself, fights villain, and changes country for the better, acknowledging that the villain had the right idea, he just took it too far.

Honestly, the thing about Black Bolt and the ONLY thing that makes him and Crystal interesting characters is the fact both of them were people who dealt with their position of privilege responsibily. Crystal is the girl who was curious about the outside and fell in love with a human (Johnny Storm) and later a mutant (Quicksilver). She was also an Avenger.

Black Bolt was very much a ruthless monarch and an autocrat but he was sympathetic to the Alpha Primitives, wanted to make peace with both the kree as well as humans, and generally was a progressive without being a complete democrat. He even objected to the sending of the Hulk into space.

He was a bit like Lion-O in the Thundercats remake in that he's a prince who is for the hated and disliked subclasses.

By reversing that with Maximus, he makes a much less interesting character.

I hate that the Inhumans brand has been irreparably tainted by a stupid grudge and the stuff with Fox.

Now when people think of them, they'll think of that bullshit going on in the comics, and this stupid show.

As for Kamala...on the one hand I agree with it that she's so divorced from the inhumans brand that it'd be easy to retcon her into being something else, not unlike how Qucksilver and the Scarlet Witch were so divorced from the mutants brand that they eventually did the same to them...though there were other reasons.

But it's for the same reason as why they removed Wanda and Pietro's past as Mutants that I don't want them to turn her into something beyond an Inhuman. It would be just a cheap retcon due to outside forces and Executive Meddling.

I'm not sure being a Inhuman carries the same meaning than being a mutant. There is no widespread stigma, and Kamala is not shunned because of her powers - when she gets a bad rep, it's because of her actions or because of someone plotting against her, but it never boils down to "she has powers ergo you should hate her".

So she basically could get her powers by being bit by a radioactive worm, and it wouldn't change anything significant. Her being an Inhuman is more of an excuse to explain why she got her powers than a significant part of her origin story.

Maybe she gets her powers from staring at Carol too much, the imaginary light radiating off her hero mutates her.

edited 23rd Mar '18 8:43:34 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Yeah. There was a relatively recent story with newcomer X-Man Goldballs, who saved the day in front of a crowd. At first, they thought he was an Inhuman and cheered him. When they found out he is really a mutant, they immidiately stopped cheering and hurled racial slurs at him.

edited 23rd Mar '18 1:41:42 PM by Forenperser

Sounds like a metaphor for management at Marvel.

Which is really dumb. Why does it matter if you're an inhuman or mutant?

At this point, Marvel is really grasping at straws for why people still hate them.

Though I suppose we haven't seen any inhuman terrorists ala Magneto yet, but that's because the shadier shit the royal family has done isn't well known.

Frankly as long as marvel continues with that shit, the X franchise is gonna be stuck in one place.

Things have not gotten better for mutants; they've gotten worse, and that's ridiculous...or at least I like to think they are.

There's also no way regular people can tell the difference between Mutants and other superheroes. Stuff like this is why the Mutants being in a separate universe is probably the best thing to come out of Marvel not having the rights.

It wouldn't have to be that way if they'd actually had mutants making some progress.

Instead, they just have people hating other powered heroes instead of actually having things get better for mutants.

The X-men have been fighting for a world that hates and fears them since the damn 60, and things still haven't changed.

Even the real world has made things better from how they used to be, but Marvel doesn't seem to know how to do that.

If things got better there wouldn't be a book. That's one of the major problems with having a never ending storyline like the comics do.

I always thought the mutants worked quite good in the overall Marvel universe. Because they are distinct from other heroes in that they are a different species, with their powers awakening without any outer influence. People fear what they can't control. If they start a program specifically to create superheroes (like the Super Soldier Serum of Captain America) it is something different than a new species appearing with the potential to replace them due to natural powers.

But yeah, the fact that they hate the mutants but not the Inhumans is kinda dumb.

edited 23rd Mar '18 3:23:35 PM by Forenperser

Pretty much. It kinda makes you wonder how things would have been if most comics didn't insist on continuing forever.

Mutants were spreading out at one point: we have the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the Avengers, we have Beast, Angel and Iceman in the Defenders (and the latter two did the Champions as well), Wasp had a mutant nemesis in Whirlwind, etc.

Having more mutants appearing in non mutant stories would have doe well for expanding the brand, but at some point, Mutants stopped dealing with problems that didn't involve other mutants or humans trying to genocide them, and other heroes stopped involving themselves in mutant affairs (leading to shit like Genosha being destroyed, and the Avengers doing nothing).

And unfortunately, writers who do try to make mutants a 'normal' thing among the Marvel society often do it in an extremely offensive way. Anybody remember this desaster?

edited 23rd Mar '18 3:31:58 PM by Forenperser

Mind you, didn't Civil War essentially have the premise that Marvel's public hated ALL superpowered beings underneath it all?

But I admit, part of why I liked the early Uncanny Avengers was the premise was supposed to be, "Captain America and other people address mutant issues."

edited 23rd Mar '18 4:54:36 PM by CharlesPhipps

I hear this show got canned.

Yeah, it's official. It was a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing...or at least that would be a fitting description of it if it didn't insulted the Bard's legacy by associating him with a hack like Scott Buck.