Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

Well it would be fun to see multiple organizations trying to co-opt The Force to fit in with their own groups to get more people.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

The solution to save the Galaxy is the return of the hk droids

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

Is funny because the last jedi does look like a big proof kreia was right all along, the force is the problem

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

That's...not what TLJ was indicating at all. There's nowhere in that movie that says "The Force is the problem" anywhere.

Reallythe issue isn’t that The Force is causing problems because without problems things would be pretty boring.

The issue is the problems themselves have become boring.

The Force is in kind of a rut right now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

You misundertood me, is how TJL kinda reforce the cycle of fighting between light and daksider to a uncanny and quite annoying degree, specially since Rey is now going to rebuild the jedi order with book on the past.

it just bring how much force user can direct the fate of many.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

The problem, as TLJ put it, was that the Jedi Order had become stagnant and intractable. That's why they never saw Palpatine coming, so were almost completely wiped out. Without the Jedi Order, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into hiding, not even participating in the burgeoning Rebellion until it was much too late. The same thing happens with Luke, because Luke takes the destruction of his new Jedi Order extremely badly.

The lesson to be learned, as both Kylo Ren and Yoda put it, is to move on from the past. For Kylo Ren, he literally wants to destroy his past by killing his father and then Luke; but Yoda puts it more metaphorically. "We are what they grow beyond."

The fact that Rey might be starting a new Jedi Order isn't the issue. It's the fact that Kylo Ren and others might not be able to let go of the past.

Which is all nice and dandy, except that was luke story back in the OT so rey is follow now the same method of creating her own order and now even more by realing in even ancient teaching luke have at first.

the end of TLJ if anything make it look like more like OT with rebels being few an empire on the rise.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Learning the same lesson twice.

Yeah The Force is getting lazy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

All she has are the books, she doesn't actually have the same teachings as Luke. Remember: Luke was taught by both Obi-Wan and Yoda, even if it was only for a short period of time. Rey only saw Luke and became disillusioned with him before leaving.

We don't actually know what she's going to do with the books or what she's going to try teaching or if she's going to try teaching about the Force. Although it seems like she might by searching for her own answers.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:58:32 AM

So she's basically a Jedi-version of Bane.

Only less boss.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

That really doesn't negate what was being said.

Edited by Darthwyn on Jan 21st 2019 at 3:00:13 PM

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

Come to think of it, I'd really love to see a good guy with a cool face mask in Star Wars. The only one I can think of (at least in the current canon) is Plo Koon - who, of course, looks badass.

Fashion is so morality strict in the Star Wars universe. If you're a good guy, you don't get to wear masks, you don't get to wear capes (unless you're Lando, and even then he typically ditches the cape as a Rebel), you don't get cool distinct lightsaber designs (unless you're Samuel Fuckin' Jackson), etc.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2019 at 12:11:31 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Oh man a reverse Darth Vader Clone would be way dope.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Is another issue of evil is cool: the sith make their own fashion sense, the jedi follow it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

It didn't really have any basis on fact in the first place. "She's going to recreate the old Jedi Order" isn't something we know or can prove. It's pure and utter speculation. Which is what I was pointing out.

Without the Jedi Order, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into hiding, not even participating in the burgeoning Rebellion until it was much too late.

Yoda provided guidance through the Force from Dagobah to a Jedi who joined the Rebellion, and Obi-Wan was protecting Luke while he grew up as Maul eventually went looking for him. They weren't doing nothing.

It’s speculation, but creating any group of Force users, as history shows, would be an incredibly bad idea.

Where was that shown?

I mean, aside from the thousands of years of history where Jedi Knights were known as the protectors of the universe.

Never watched the animated shows, i take it?

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

I'm still working through Clone Wars. Haven't seen Rebels yet.

Going by this logic, creating a group of anything is a bad idea.

Keep your eyes open for Yoda. He's there.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

"Apologies if I start a fight with this, but it bums me out that this movie all about learning and improving from failure, to the point where the wisest character in the whole franchise almost literally beats someone over the head with this message, has instead produced a reaction in the fandom that none of the heroes' actions and maybe even the very existence of Force-users were worth it in the end."

It's not so much "learning from failure," so much as the utter futility in trying to succeed. The New Republic dropped the ball, became complacent, and didn't fight against the First Order, and were utterly destroyed without firing a single shot, but as we learn in TLJ, the First Order is so militarized, vast, and technologically superior that they would have been defeated quickly even if they had tried. The Jedi were reformed as a small hermetic order, but are wiped out under very similar circumstances to the government-funded and publicly-known institution from fifty years before. It's not that they didn't learn or don't want to learn from their failure, it's that there's nothing to learn. What exactly are they going to improve? They're such losers that everything they do will be for nothing, and every success will feel like a contrivance.

The impression I got wasn't of heroes repeating the mistakes of the past, but of actually making a sincere effort to build a better society — and being utterly curbstomped nonetheless, that success is meaningless and failure, total catastrophic failure is basically inevitable. That's my position and I stand by it, without any desire to start a fight.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jan 21st 2019 at 11:21:03 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

I don't think that's true. I think if the New Republic was able to use their fleet, the First Order would have had trouble taking control of the galaxy, but that's why the First Order targeted them first, to wipe out the fleet.

As for the Jedi Order — Luke was attempting to recreate the Jedi Order, but he hadn't done so yet. He was in the middle of teaching a bunch of students. It was those students that were slaughtered, not actual Jedi Masters. So it's completely different from Order 66.