My Hero Academia

How is that better? That honestly makes no sense at all to me.

The total destruction of the power that Shigaraki's master lost to and greatest threat isn't better?

You're talking like you think getting rid of Endeavor would destroy all hope in Heroes or something. It would definitely another huge hit, I won't deny, but it's simply not Earth-shattering like All Might would be.

I'm not even saying it's would be a bad or meaningless gesture, I'm just not agreeing with your "what better time" assertion.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2018 at 1:01:17 PM

Or they could just kill Deku. Either he's already passed on the power, or he hasn't. Unless he goes public with being All Might's successor (which kind of means they've already failed horribly), that has far less symbolic value than using it on Endeavor.

The argument for "just kill him" heavily favors the Deku situation.

I mean, given the option either's fine. Like either is fine here.

Yes, but my point is that a serum that removes quirks is almost completely useless except in this exact situation which is the most useful it will ever be in any possible world. So it's hardly a "waste" to use it here.

We're kind of going in circles in here, and I'm not really sure what else to say.

I took back "waste" awhile ago so I'm not even sure why you're still harping on that.

If nothing else, I think you're focusing on symbolic value I don't think de-powering Endeavor would necessarily carrying, while I'm more focused on the strategic value they'd get out of the bullets.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2018 at 1:05:39 PM

There is zero strategic value. If anyone's power is a threat, you can just kill them. If you're close enough to hit them with the power-removing dart, you're close enough to just fill that same dart with deadly poison.

Symbolic value is literally the only practical use of them.

Edited by Clarste on Jul 16th 2018 at 11:09:00 AM

That's...no?

For one thing is someone's power is a threat, depowering them definitely makes them a lot easier to kill, and remove as a threat permanently (because people in Universe aren't just taking it as a given that this is totally irreversible, and we know for a fact it isn't).

But, also, are you assuming they're just going to be rationing the bullets they have? Because I've been assuming for awhile they're going to find a way to mass-produce them (which may or may not involve them kidnapping Eri).

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2018 at 1:10:38 PM

How so?

Spaghetti.

That is all.

How is hitting them with the dart to depower them any easier than killing them? You haven't even tried to address my "just fill the same dart with deadly poison" argument. The dart isn't some invincible super dart, anything that blocks bullets would block it just as easily, if not easier. If you're in a position where you can guarantee that they'd be hit by the dart, then you're already in a position where you could kill them in dozens of simpler ways.

It's simply not an effective weapon in any situation. It's a terror tool, meant to spread panic over the idea of losing quirks.

Edited by Clarste on Jul 16th 2018 at 11:13:31 AM

One thing though, I do think depowering All Might would have sent a message than just killing. As far as the public was concerned All Might was basically a dem-god. Bringing someone like that down to the level of ordinary people (or possibly below) sends a message that could potentially resonate even more than just killing them.

But for Endeavor? While the guy is amazing, everyone already knows a few amazing heroes. It would definitely be a hit, but it's just not the same.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2018 at 1:18:00 PM

Yeah, Endeavor's no All Might, that's for sure.

But you take what you can get, and hitting the public opinion even more when their already down is just good strategy.

Hitting them with the dart would make them easier to kill. Like, you actually need it explained to you how taking someone's powers away would make them easier to kill?

As I said before I think this is going in circles, and now I'm getting the feeling you're not even trying to actually understand my points, so I think I'm done discussing this particularly line of discussion with you.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 16th 2018 at 1:18:00 PM

It's just that the way this has been proceeding has been somewhat unnecessarily dismissive and rude (and on my end too), so I'd rather avoid doing that.

If we're at an impasse, agreeing to disagree, and seeing what happens in a week just makes more sense.

Edited by Kiefen on Jul 16th 2018 at 8:46:16 PM

Wrong thread bro

It's been brought up before, but I wonder if they can mass produce High-Ends? Because if they can, regardless of what happens next, it'll probably make the outcome of the fight feel a bit hollow (which might be the point).

Edit: To answer my own question, my first instinct is "no", though I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes a thing after Shigaraki gets All For One (Quirk).

Edited by LSBK on Jul 17th 2018 at 2:07:27 PM

The reveal that they can mass produce High-Ends could be the drive point for pro-Heroes to start bigger cooperations akin to the Justice League or SHIELD. At least I think that the manga will eventually lead to Deku becoming the leader of such an organization consisting of his classmates.

I mean Hori is a huge fan of Marvel/DC, it be weird if we don’t get an Avengers/Justice League analog at some point.

They've already mentioned a big increase in team-ups. Something that Miruko conspicuously rejects, so probably expect something with that coming up with her.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 17th 2018 at 2:39:33 PM

Given the series's track record with female characters... I don't think Miruko will be much relevant...

Late to the debate, but I want to point out that it's not true that you can always kill as easily as de-Quirking because you can just replace the de-Quirking stuff with lethal poison or something. Poison is mostly not insta-death and most poison have medically available antidotes. With poison you'd have to worry about mundane stuff like the amount of dose and whether the victim will get to the hospital in time or not, not to mention that in this superhuman society there might be some medical workers who can deal with toxic substances especially well. While with the de-Quirk bullet, a Quirk-based plot-relevant thing, it's guaranteed that if you land the hit then the victim is Quirkless from that exact moment, barring potential future reversal with the serum.

I've also heard some people claim that Stain's Bloodcurdle was useless because "he could just poison his blade and it would have better effect" but I had problem with those arguments too. There are poison that can paralyze people, but there are probably none that utterly deprives you of all bodily freedom, immediately effective, just from scratching the skin.

And?

Eh anything’s possible, she might make for a fun team-up with someone.