My Hero Academia

Usually the spirals are shown as destroying whatever they come in contact with, though.

Alright I found another of those “artist draws character in different manga styles”.

This time it’s Young All Might.

Fair warning, picture is okay but the site is not SFW.

Curious what Shigaraki's reaction to Twice's death will be.

Also, no comment on that little scattered thought bubble Shigaraki had?

Well, it seems to imply that Shigaraki has now similar thing like Deku has with other vestiges of OFA, except in Shigaraki's case it's vestige of AFO.

I don't think that's what that was. I feel like it has to do with him not being "completed" so to speak.

the thought bubble give me strong AFO Vestige vibes. Especially since Deku nearby is also having the voice of his OFA Vestiges talking to him. Parallels and all that.

My counter claim to that is that AFO is still alive, and I doubt this sort of communication would work while that's the case.

I'm not sold on what that whole dream sequence was actually supposed to signify, to begin with.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:57:39 AM

Double post, but I'm thinking of a reason this Shigaraki vs. Endeavor fight is about to happen besides Shigaraki needing and actual fight to show off something new - set up a grudge with Shoto.

Izuku and Shigaraki already have their thing, and Shigaraki ordered Bakugo's kidnapping and tried to recruit him. Shoto's the only one of the main trio to not have any serious interaction or direct link with him.

Not to say Endeavor will die, I agree something like that can't happen at least until the Dabi stuff comes to ahead, but it's a thought.

It depends on the nature of the vestiges.

Are the vestiges literally the spirits of whoever used to hold OFA? Or are they more like imprints of those people?

Because if it's the latter then I don't see why they can't become active while the original is still alive.

I'm kind of surprised we're getting this fight, but on the other hand, Endeavor is basically the last stand against Shigaraki. Makes sense for him to at least try and stop him. Also, i saw someone compare the shots explicitly to Kamino.

I'm not 100% sure if Shoto needs a direct line to Shigaraki, since he was targeted at the USJ and his brother is (probably) recruited by Tomura, but i guess extra stakes for him don't hurt.

I feel like recent events made the imprints idea (which I had previously been going with) very unlikely. But, even if they were imprints, the All Might vestige very clearly isn't fully-formed and distinct from all the others; I can't think of another reason that would be the case besides the fact that the real All Might is still alive.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 3rd 2020 at 2:26:13 PM

We going full Avatar in here.

It may also be related to Izuku's ideas of the vestiges. There's two shrouded vestiges too, after all. Perhaps it's his view of All Might as a figure greater than life that prevents him from fully accessing All Might's vestige, like how his hangups with Bakugo and his Dad might prevent him from seeing the other two. Black Whip meshes well with his anger and Float presumably with his happiness or at least Nana's ideals.

Still, it could also just be that the vestiges of OFA and AFO work differently, in more subtle ways. it's notable that in Izuku's vestige dream, he was incomplete but in Tomura's.... nigh-death dream, it was AFO's "vestige" that was incomplete. Perhaps OFA is more about the user's connection to the vestiges and for AFO it's the reverse.

Izuku has hangups with his dad?

At this point I'm starting to think Inko is capable of reproducing asexually.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 3rd 2020 at 11:27:07 AM

Man, that is a non-entity.

Izuku and Tooru are half-siblings.

I mean, not only do we never see his dad, Izuku also never thinks about him, calls him or whatever.

So yea, i think he may have...issues about that.

"I think" =/= "he does" though. Precisely because it never comes up we have no idea what he thinks. He could be just fine with it for all we know.

Obligatory reference to different cultural views about the issue and to how looking at it from our non-Japanese point of view will probably lead us to the wrong conclusions.

Yeah, isn't the stereotypical Japanese family dad supposed to be always working and not really play much of a part in raising childs?

Man that’s sad.

I'm not saying he definitely does. I'm simply saying that Black Whip already set up the connection to his emotions (IE, Black Whip responds to anger). Three vestiges are special, and we know of three people to whom he can have special feelings. All Might for being an idol and a symbol more than a person. Bakugo and his dad potentially for how he is treated.

Heck, we don't even know for sure if Izuku has hangups about Bakugo or All Might at this point. But it very well could be a bountiful place to explore. And i'm not sure who else could give Izuku the inability to connect to a Vestige fully.

Edited by devak on Jun 3rd 2020 at 7:04:20 PM

Diagoro said the power would respond to his emotions, he implied nothing about his emotions affecting how they look or how that world works, or anything. He was just talking about standard "getting angry can make your power go out of control, so be careful" as is typical for anime and manga.

I guess there could be a connection, but the context of what he was talking about does not imply one.

And I just don't buy the obscured ones coming down to the same thing with All Might; they're depicted the same, it's more reasonable assume there are separate reasons for that than some overarching connection.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 3rd 2020 at 1:47:55 PM

I think that the vestiges are more than imprints of the original holders, since they show sapience and an awareness of the situation (the First being able to warn Deku in real-time about Shigaraki, for instance), rather than just repeating the same thing or action.

I think OFA needs time in order to fully integrate a previous holder’s representation into the core after it’s transferred, which is why All Might, who only lost the power recently, is a glowy, ill-defined energy being. The other holders lost the power decades ago and had plenty of time to form.

I think the Second and Third being fuzzy and mysterious in-universe, using what we know so far and how all of the users appeared during the Sports Festival when Izuku was still new to OFA, is a symptom of Izuku not yet fully mastering it.

As for Izuku’s dad, I don’t see what giving him dad issues would add to the story. He already has a father/mentor figure in All Might, and alongside the cultural aspect, his dad’s just a normal guy working to provide for his family. Maybe they talk offscreen, but thanks to Law of Conservation of Detail we don’t see it.

If they were meant to have a strained relationship, it probably would have gotten at least a passing mention back early on when we saw how bad Izuku had it with his school peers. His family life, from what we see, has always been good, in contrast to Todoroki coming from an abusive household and Bakugo’s relationship with his parents being...tumultuous.