Injustice comics (spoilers)

Eh, stopping fascist Superman is worth a pardon in my opinion.

But again, I have fully divorced Injustice Superman from the real thing. He's mentally equivalent to Ultraman to me.

I just cannot stand Harley’s hypocrisy. She has no right to play the victim card after helping Joker bomb Metropolis, kill Lois, and drive Superman to madness.

There has to be culpability. Being abused by the Joker does not mean she should be devoid of all responsibility for her actions as a super villain. That’s bullshit & just makes for an awful redemption.

Yeah. She should have gotten hers back in the first game.

After giving birth to her kid of course, because the kid didn't do anything wrong.

Really she should be denied access to her child. That would actually make for some good tragedy and further how committed she is to her redemption as all she desires is to keep her kid safe even if she can't ever see her again.

I mean come on, Superman lost his unborn child while at the end of IJ 2 Harley is happily raising her own kid alongside Black Canary and Arrow. Its a pretty shit feeling Harley gets to happily raise her own kid after helping to murder Superman's own.

Hell Captain Cold's ending indicated a redemption for him and that struck me harder than Harley's because Cold actually experienced loss, the death of his sister and friends. So the possibility of him going straight without any obvious benefit to himself generates a pretty warm feeling.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2021 at 10:14:59 AM

There's villains who have experienced trauma just as bad or worse than Harley that don't get anywhere near the amount of sympathy from writers. Apologies for Single-Issue Wonk, but Cheshire was trafficked as a child and became an assassin because that was the only way out of that life for her and ever since she nuked a country, she's been written as a morally-depraved monster who will sell out her own children to save her skin.

Hell, writers treat Jason Todd with less kid gloves than Harley despite him starting out as a hero.

Its the success. DC has managed to make Harley their most popular female character, as profitable as Batman and Joker are. Harley's more popular than even Wonder Woman considering how horribly Diana is treated in these games compared to Harley.

And like with Batman and Joker, this lends to massive favoritism. Batman is Batgod who is always right, Joker is an unstoppable monster who always has the last laugh, and Harley is a sweet innocent angel who can do no wrong.

The 3's overwhelming success and rabid fanbases have effectively created an all-consuming black hole of spotlight stealing squads and creator's pets.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 15th 2021 at 1:40:07 AM

Cheshire doesn't get sympathy because she is the one who actually nuked a place on her own initiative. Previously, she DID get a lot of sympathy and was Roy H Arper's version of Catwoman. Gail Simone, of all people, said that she should be treated as a Complete Monster.

So she'd be with the anti-Harleys here.

"But yes, I feel different about a psychologically controlled and abused mental patient versus a fascist."

The first description would also apply to some extent with superman, so I don't see your point.

After reading the comics, I can't help but think that Batman is a bad father.

When the game was released, I assumed that Damian had intentionally killed Grayson to prove his loyalty to Superman.

But that he did it accidentally makes Batman's grudge feel too forced.

Chucking a stick at someone's head in the middle of a fight is more than an accident imo. It's not like premeditated murder but manslaughter be negligence/being fucking stupid.

Still, it's rare that Batman can forgive the woman who was complicit in the destruction of Metropolis, and not accidental homicide.

One death is a tragedy, one million is a statistic. The one death here is Batman's foster son.

Harley's 'forgiveness' is half knowing that she was under Joker's influence and is none too mentally stable (he relates) and second sheer pragmatism. He's not in a position to be choosey about allies.

Batman did forgive Damien though. He said as much and tried to get Damien to come back to him more than once. Damien refused each time. When Batman told Damien he didn't blame him for Dick's death, Damien said he didn't believe him. (When Dick told Damien the same thing, he accepted that though).

Damien killing Dick wasn't even the final straw-that was later, when Damien killed Zsasz and then chose to side with Superman.

At the risk of making some people angry, how strong is Superman supposed to be in relation to Wonder Woman?

In the game they act like Clark is superior, but in the comic she beats him up with relative ease.

I mean, strength wise, Superman is superior, but Wondy has training and magic to make up the difference.

Also Superman is often victim of Worf Effect.

Anyway, I imagine that Superman became more powerful in 1 year.

So, Superman (year 5) > Good Wonder Woman > Wonder Woman (year 5) > Wonder Woman (year 4) >> Superman year 4.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Aug 29th 2022 at 6:26:34 AM

So is Wonder Woman. Arguably to a greater degree.