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Agreed, it has to be something that isn't directly caused by the team. Also make Sue be more on board with the idea of becoming a heroine and helping others, but she just hates the spotlight.
So tying her powers into her characterization then?
There is a reason why her invisible powers come with also force field ones, because those show two sides of her.
Her force field powers would show that she's dedicated to protecting people even if she feels shy at first. In the comics, it has been said that Sue is actually the most powerful member of the team when push comes to shove.
edited 22nd Jun '17 11:28:46 AM by firewriter
A Fantastic Four movie also really needs to be an adventure story, not a strictly action movie. That's something the movies have largely missed: without their identity as a family and their niche as cosmic explorers, they just become a generic band of dysfunctional super-people.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
That's certainly true, they need to be having cool adventures and having a fun time doing it as a family unit.
One could say Guardians Of the Galaxy grasps the dynamic that has worked with the Fantastic Four, because everyone on the team has their own personal demons but at the same time they come together to form a familial bond that is powerful enough to take on the biggest foes. Also they know when to have fun, and not just be all doom and gloom.
edited 22nd Jun '17 11:31:37 AM by firewriter
This sort of thing is why I think Fox should just cut a deal with Marvel to have them appear in Guardians 3 with the Skrulls as the villains. It combines the properties in a way that makes sense and gives Marvel more freedom to use characters and ideas from FF.
Yeah, but Marvel and Fox are not mature like that.
What does maturity have to do with it? They don't want to work together, they don't want to work together? Simple as that.
It's not about maturity, it's about money. Fox doesn't want to give up any potential money they might make from the FF. The last movie bombed, yes, but so have some of the X-Men movies and they were able to make more and better ones that made them loads of money. So they can try and try again. If Marvel wants the FF back, they have to either hope that Fox never makes another one for nine years (the length of time it would take for it to return to Marvel).
On the other hand, Marvel and Fox do collaborate on the TV shows (Legion and The Gifted), mainly because they have to: Fox doesn't hold the television rights to the X-Men, Marvel does, but Marvel can't use them without Fox's permission.
The X-Men are a proven brand (and one could argue they fit better in their own universe rather than in the same one Thor and the Inhumans run around in), while every single F4 adaptation has belly flopped. It's not the same.
There seems to be some confusion about what "flop" means. The first two movies both made profits, with the first one being made on a 100 million dollar budget and grossing 330 million, and the second one being less profitable (but still making money) with a 130 million dollar budget and a 280 million dollar gross.
Fan4tastic was the first one to outright flop, making only 168 million on a 125 million budget. To my knowledge, the X-Men have never had an outright financial bomb like that.
I still say give the Fantastic Four back to Marvel Studios, because I think it would be better if they made it themselves. If you want something done right, then do it yourself as the old saying goes.
I don't think a new Fantastic Four movie by Marvel would happen anyway. The brand has been horribly tarnished at this point, and the fact that Fox is already trying another one is absurd as it is.
If they got the FF back the smartest move would just be to use the villains or important supporting characters in other films for the time being.
Doctor Doom was used quite effectively in the 80's Spider-Man cartoon (not Amazing Friends, that one didn't have Doom. Seriously). I wouldn't mind seeing that.
The only way they could do Doom justice if they make him absolutely hammy as possible and revel in it.
They did that in the Tim Story movies. Didn't seem to work.
They really didn't. They tried to do a more subdued take on Doom by making him a wimpy American businessman and basically had to be strong-armed into actually having him wear the fucking mask. They didn't even commit to the voice.
The only movie that actually did a not half-assed take on Doom was ironically enough, the unreleased 1994 version.
Guess I just didn't see Julian Mc Mahon as subdued.
edited 22nd Jun '17 2:05:16 PM by windleopard
Read again. The conception of the character.
Marvel would obviously have to pay them for these rights. If Marvel gives them a check for $500 million or something that's effectively free money for Fox and more money than they've made on any other FF movie. Alternatively they could copy Sony's deal and cede a certain amount of creative control in exchange for financial backing and branding.
The Sony deal, however, might work out for both Marvel and Fox, but, again, that deal was also helped by the fact that Spider-Man was a well known property that is a definite blockbuster (just not the way that Sony was doing it), while the FF might be well known, but haven't really been blockbusters for a while. As well, Fox might not want to make a deal, since that, again, mean sharing the characters with Marvel and Marvel could make money off of them.
Perpetually Confused
The Sony deal was also helped by the whole Sony email hack which made public that Sony had no idea what to do with Spidey to stop the declining profit (and lackluster critical reception), That info going public basically hamstrung Sony's own attempt to do anything with the still profitable franchise on their own.
The FF are in a different situation altogether - they've never been all that profitable as a movie IP. Even if Fox could approach Marvel, there's no guarantee Marvel would want anything to do with them at his point.
As someone who always felt the supporting cast of the FF are better than the FF themselves, I'd approve. The Four themselves are boring and uninteresting - with the exception of Ben Grimm.
I keep imagining a future Black Panther movie where he goes up against Dr. Doom. Or Dr. Strange. Or anybody.
DOOM is adaptable like that.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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I'd put a slight caveat on there. If the problem turns out to have something to do with the cosmic rays or the Negative Zone or something, not caused by the Four, but as an entirely unrelated side effect, I'd be okay with that.
Not Three Laws compliant.