I love the parallels and think they're mostly doing them well. My problem is that the immortality requires Ramsey to eat people, and thus is never going to be the solution for everyone. Even if every single other part of the immortality was perfect, that's just a fact. And yet no one is bringing up the practical problem, just an Appeal to Nature one.
Barry was never destined to get blinked of of existence, he was destined to run so fast he disintegrated in the process of saving the multiverse. Presumably the black blood was enough of a boost to let him survive.
With the Stargirl series, I wonder if they're going to ignore what The Flash did with The Shade and just redo him.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I don't remember the Shade at all. Which is probably a sign that they did it terribly.
He was one of those characters they remade into a bland throwaway meta in the third season. Seasons 2 and 3 were especially bad about that.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I think they just called him "Shade" and never mentioned his real name, so it would be really easy to retcon someone else in and called then the Shade.
This is a title.
"Guy was stealing my gig. I'm the original."
Poof, problem solved.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
That’s basically what they did with AMAZO, so I’m good with that.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
The next four episodes after Crisis have had their titles released:
- "Marathon"
- "Love is a Battlefield"
- "A Girl Named Sue"
- "Grodd Friended Me"
Edited by alliterator on Jan 9th 2020 at 8:17:44 AM
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More Grodd is always good.
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FYI, Crisis ends tonight
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I just realized now:
"See you in our next crisis." my ass. Where was Thawne during all this?
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Waiting in 2024, probably. Checking his watch, going "Dammit."
If not for that line, I'd be 100% fine with it. He didn't really have any place in the story, plus I feel like any human villains kind of muddy the water when the universe is at stake. I got kinda annoyed at Lex, because he was repeatedly close to messing up the plan and the Anti-Monitor winning wouldn't have done him much good. Same would have gone for Thawne. He'll be back as soon as the writers run out of ideas.
While I'm still very happy they got it, I'm not surprised The Cameo was added last-minute; it was kind of confusing plot-wise. Did other-Flash manage to escape into the Speedforce? Were there somehow time shenanigans stronger than the antimatter wave? Universes far enough out that the Monitors couldn't detect them? I assume it happening in live action is still out of the question, but a full story team-up between the two would be fun - maybe a one-off comic?
What we seen from Thawne probably would have meant he would have been more cooperative than Lex. He has no problem working with heroes and his continued survival means he can fuck with Barry's life another day.
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I'd assume most everyone in the DCU got killed and brought back post Crisis. Probably didn't notice it happened. DCU Flash just hunkered down in the Speedforce.
DCEU Flash definitely didn't hunker down anywhere. He wasn't even aware the Crisis was happening. The implication seems to be that the DCEU is outside of the current multiverse.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 18th 2020 at 11:07:43 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I thought the implication was, actually, that he was in the Speed Force when his world was destroyed and when it finally caught up to him, he vanished. Presumably, his world was recreated at the end, so he might not even remember talking to CW Barry.
The mention of Victor (as if they were experimenting) doesn't line up with that, nor does his disappearance in the middle of the scene, nor all the focus the scene puts on the fact that what's actually happening isn't possible. The latter is the most important: if DCEU Flash was just stuck in the speed force, the scene would have just said so rather than implying that something else is going on.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 19th 2020 at 12:40:40 PM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
I mean, they are literally in the Speed Force. That's literally what's happening. It's just that DCEU Barry probably doesn't understand what happened to him, while CW Barry is confused that an alternate version of himself still exists.
DCEU Barry said "I told Victor this was possible," which means that he probably told Victor that by running fast enough, he could end up in a parallel world and meet a parallel version of himself. It just so happened that the world was the Speed Force, which exists outside of the Multiverse, which is how DCEU Barry was able to appear even though his world was probably destroyed at the time. He either came into the Speed Force before/after his world was destroyed/recreated or it was destroyed while he was in the Speed Force, hence why he disappeared. Time is wonky for speedsters, remember? And time works differently on different Earths — Earth-666 is a few years behind, remember? Lucifer was still in his hedonistic phase and hadn't met Detective Decker yet. So Earth-DCEU could be in the past (right after JL) or future (right before/during Flash's own movie).
Edited by alliterator on Jan 19th 2020 at 7:47:54 AM
"Probably?"
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 21st 2020 at 12:50:37 PM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
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So since Barry was able to avoid being dying in the Crisis, does that mean Nora should come back at some point? Maybe not the exact same Nora the lost...or maybe it would be her. Who knows?
At the very least, her being born again should be on the table.
One Strip! One Strip!
I actually thought she would show up during the Crisis, but yeah, it's possible a new version of her will appear.
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Hopefully a less annoying version.
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I mean, I'm still trying to wrap my head around on how Zombie-Barry (or Zombie-Humanity, for that matter) was supposed to have been immune to getting blinked out of existence by the Anti-Monitor.
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