Marvel-DC Merged Universe Community Project...

So there's like a billion universes where the only difference might be the color of a pebble on a beach? No thanks. I just prefer one main universe and any copy would require a good justification.

After some thought, I've decided that the Linear Men make more sense as agents of the TVA, though characters like Justice Peace could be members.

One thing I would NOT use is Hypertime. That was just writers giving themselves an easy way out of contradictions or retcons. And who would want to live in an universe where your whole life might change at any time for no reason??

Something like D.C. where there's a set number of parallel universes that may or may not have alternate timelines seems like it'd work

Also you say that like most people have a choice which universe they live in

edited 9th Jul '16 1:57:48 PM by Manaic

When you are a superhero (or villain) the chances to move from one reality to another (or even change them) are not that unlikely.

Oh, and I forgot to consider The Monitor(s). How many should there be, and what is their relationship to the multiverse? Are they created by it, and if so, what is their function?

edited 9th Jul '16 4:50:22 PM by Sijo

Canonically, the Monitors only exist in the DC Multiverse; the Marvel, *Transformers*, and other multiverses have other transuniversal entities.

There's one per DC universe, right? Since this is *a* DC universe (sort of), I figure it has one Monitor assigned to it.

Well, let's see: the original Monitors were created as a side effect of Krona's experiment, and they embodied positive and negative matter universes, respectively. They latter came up with more with the whole 52 deal but honestly I never saw the need; it takes away from their uniqueness. So I'd stick with 2.

Also, for simplicity's sake let's say that Qward is in The Negative Zone (why have two Anti-Matter Universes? Plus it allows more character interaction ex: Blastaar as Anti-Monitor's minion and Annihilus as his opponent. )

edited 9th Jul '16 7:00:56 PM by Sijo

Does anyone else think that Superman and Doctor Doom would be archenemies in this universe? Personally, I think that they are such perfect foils to each other that it almost seems intentional.

In-universe reasons: Supes is an alien immigrant born with superpowers while Doom is a regular human who gained his power through knowledge, deceit and dedication. Supes was raised a middle-class, average American and remains to be while Doom was raised in poverty as a gypsy and eventually became the rich and powerful ruler of his Eastern European home country. Supes is virtuous, friendly and mericiful to everyone (except Lex and Darkseid) while Doom is pure evil and doesn't care for anyone. Supes is liked and trusted by nearly the entire universe while Doom is hated and feared by nearly the entire universe. Supes' unbreakable skin makes him the Man of Steel while Doom wears a powerful suit of armor. Last but not least, Supes has a secret identity and Doom does not.

Out of universe reason: Supes is THE superhero while Doom is THE supervillain.

They fit better as enemies than they do with Lex and Reed, honestly.

edited 13th Jul '16 8:19:37 PM by mchlfx

Hmm, nah.

As cool as it is for the two to be arch enemies, it would least likely happen given their personalities. Doom will see Superman as a means of gaining powers instead of an arch rival, as while the character seeked to be the most powerful being he also boast about how he is the smartest. Superman, while a smart hero in his own right, isn't a scientific genius therefore not seen as a major threat to Doom's ego. Reed, on the other hand, is a genius who is smart enough to surpass Doom; which is something Doom refuse to believe as he wouldn't accept anybody being smarter than him. While having Doom as part of the Superman rogue gallery is interesting, by the end of the day Doom has a more personable grudge against Mr. Fantastic compare to the Man of Steel.

And besides, Lex Luthor has all the qualities of Doom; so why bother switch arch enemies?

Yes and no. It really depends on the continuity. Pre Crisis, Superman was a scientific genius, capable of building devices that could peer through time&space and creating bombs that could blow up the planet, all in an afternoon.(Super-speed works wonders when creating fancy new inventions you know.) It was only with the Byrne Reboot that Superman was demoted to simply being fairly smart, but before that, he was one of the smartest men on the face of the planet.

I don't mean that Superman and Doctor Doom would replace Lex and Reed as each other's archenemies, just have them as an additional enemy. For example, Supes' archenemies would now be Lex, Brainiac, Darkseid and Doom while Doom's would be Reed, Doctor Strange and Superman.

I know that Lex and Doom are pretty similar too, but I think it would work if the rivalries between these guys were different. It's more personal between Supes and Lex and Doom and Reed, but Supes and Doom just dislike each other because the latter is always scheming to gain power and the former is always saving the world, thus fighting each other on numerous occasions.

I also think that Reed and Lex, both the smartest people in their respective universes, would be enemies too. Same with Doom and Lex, for similar reasons.

That was kind of hard to type comprehensibly, but I hope you understand.

edited 13th Jul '16 10:00:52 PM by mchlfx

I'm well aware of Silver Age Superman's ridiculous level of genius (especially in the first Death of Superman story which serves as partial inspiration for All Star Superman's plot). I was speaking in terms of Post-Crisis who isn't portrayed as being a super genius like Pre-Crisis; I assumed that's the version of Superman we are going with.

I got what you are saying, and understand completely as to where you are getting at. Just like how the others are trying to incorporate Namor as an enemy to Aquaman as well as Fantastic Four, the same will be said for Dr. Doom for Superman.

Or in simplest term, that idea will work; especially considering how Dr. Doom is an enemy for many Marvel heroes outside the FF so the same extends to DC heroes.

Going back to the whole multiverse thing, Just because all those billions of universes exist doesn't mean anyone will be visiting them or bringing deceased characters back with them. We choose if that happens and i don't think anyone wants to do that, It's just a bit stupid.

New game: now that Marvel has had its own Crisis, how would Crisis on Infinite Earths had played out if all Marvel characters had been included?

-Which Cosmic Entities would have interfered? I don't see Anti-Monitor getting very far with his universe-erasing before The Living Tribunal stopped him.

-After conquering the Anti-Matter universe, would Anti-Monitor have stolen Annihilus Cosmic Control Rod? Would Blastaar serve him?

-Would Anti-Monitor recruit Psychoman rather than Psycho-Pirate?

-Would Doctor Doom insist on leading the villain army?

-Would Doctor Strange lead all the sorcerers in empowering The Spectre in his battle with A-M?

-Would Thanos help in the final battle?

I like Scientist!Superman. I want more of that.

1.Probably, but if the Tribunal did interfere, then we wouldn't have a story. Maybe the Tribunal only exists in the main 'verse, and he didn't bother dealing with the Anti-Monitor until now because he wasn't encroaching on his territory? Because otherwise, the Tribunal or anyone else not doing anything about it before it got out of hand is just going to have to be a Necessary Weasel.

2.Probably. I don't see any reason why not.

3.Why not both?

4.Definitely. Whether or not he'd actually succeed is another matter, because he'd still have Braniac to deal with, whom at that point was a Bad Ass skull-faced robot of death. He'd certainly do his darnedest to be the leader, maybe even attempt leading some of other villains in an attempt to be the top dog, but if Braniac saw even the slightest sign of resistance, he'd probally just zap him on the spot anyway.

5.I think it'd be more likely that Strange and Fate would share double duty in leading the troops. After all, 2 companies (Marvel&DC,) means twice the amount of sorcerers to manage, and it might be a good idea to have some help in their regard. Who better to do it than someone who's practically your equal?

6.Hard to say. I think he might actually be fine with sitting it out, because if the Anti-Monitor wins, then that means he gets a chance to be with his beloved Death, and he might even see the destruction of everything that is or ever was as a magnificent tribute in her honor. Though then again, Thanos still wouldn't be the one responsible for all of that devastation, so he might go up against the Anti-Monitor anyway just as a matter of principle. It could go either way, really.

Here here! Pre-Crisis Superman is the bomb.

edited 23rd Jul '16 4:29:02 PM by kkhohoho

Okay, I don't want this to die so, Who else thinks it'd be cool if Spider-Man were part of the Teen Titans?

edited 28th Aug '16 2:55:51 PM by DrZadkiel

He was too much of a loner when he was young and later he was too old. BUT his clone, the Scarlet spider might! Especially if we assume The New Warriors never formed and were just part of Titans East.

Or have Miles be a Titan.

Wow, I thought this thread had died since my last post.

So, what have you guys been working on since then?

hello?

Conversation here is sporadic. I myself run three RPGs these days so its hard to keep tabs. But yeah we occasionally still talk DC/Marvel crossover fics.

edited 18th Sep '16 12:42:28 PM by Sijo

So, what about Eobard Thrawne and Professor Zoom?

No particular need to revise him. He's a guy from the future who finds a Flash's suit and some equipment, figures out a way to access the Speed Force, and uses it to commit crimes. Then time travel happens.

Idea: Hourman's pills are a partially successful attempt to recreate the Captain America formula. They give the same boost, but only for an hour.

I'm mostly down with that, except for giving him the 'same boost.' Hourman's Miraclo pill doesn't just give him peak strength and endurance; it raises them to out-and-out Superhuman levels. The man's a tank, with his only drawback being his powers last only for an hour. Well, that and it can make you an addict, but that's a story for another day...

edited 3rd Jan '17 3:33:03 PM by kkhohoho

The 25th century Zoom comes from could be the same as Marvel Comic's, which is the home of Commander A, who is the Captain America of that era.

Also, Kang the Conqueror temporarily used it as a base of operations. Perhaps it was he who was behind Zoom's time travel shenanigans- it fits his M.O.

and I approve.