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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#133101: Oct 18th 2015 at 8:27:33 AM

That is, did you use runic, had her ATB bar fill up, and then select runic again? If so, selecting runic again removes her runic'ed status until she goes through the animation. She'll stay in her runic'ed state until an absorbable spell is casted or you have her do another command. To keep her runic'ed, just switch over to your other chara-

Well that explains a lot. I've been just spamming Runic every time the ATB comes up. I'll have to watch out for that. I guess I'm supposed to use the button to skip her instead of doing anything?

Well, you are also playing the game in a really lopsided manor that, I'm amazed is working.

It's funny because everyone's been warning me about relying on Sabin. But it appears that I've accidently stumbled on a really powerful strategy, because Sabin levels really fast and then everyone else gets a ton of Pity Levels. Most of my characters are currently level 45-47, and that's without any grinding. I hate to immagine what would have happened if I just used Sabin alone, instead of using two characters all the time (mostly Celes).

Err, what? You should be able to use most white magic from the Magic menu.

Really? Guess I'll give it a try next time then. I didn't see an obvious option, but I probably forgot to even try pressing A on the menu.

Final Fantasy 6: Speaking of the xp thing, I wonder if any speed runners use the solo Sabin strategy. It seems like it's much faster than playing the game normally due to the way the rebalancing works.

Apparently the dinosaur I fought yesterday was a trash mob. So now I have to hunt down the boss dinosaur. I'm guessing its Indomitis Rex, or however you spell that. It's not like I actually watched Jurassic World. Of course, it seems like even the T. Rexes have been genetically enhanced. There's no fossil evidence that real life T. Rexes were able to summon meteors.

Just downed another T. Rex. I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to find whatever it is. Just keep walking around the forest? There aren't any visible sprites or anything.

Obtained Impartisan, a spear with 253 attack.

Just killed my 4th. It's going a lot faster now that I've realized that Meteor Strike does more damage than Razaor Gale and there's no point in using Runic.

Also, it turns out that you can actually use healing spells outside of battle. I've just been assuming you couldn't this whole time.

After 5 trexs, I finally found a Brachiosaur.

Wow that thing is ridiculous. On the first turn, it imped and doomed Celes, then it killed everyone with a Meteor Strike.

Just killed another T Rex, but it's only my 4th now because I have to reload.

I decided to switch to Edgar, Umero, Terra, and Gogo, to see if I'll have more luck Brachiosaur hunting that way.

Also gave Sabin the Force Shield this time to see if that helps. Not sure if I should try replacing the Heroes Ring with a Hyper Wrist or not. I still don't really understand how damage is calculated.

Well that didn't go well either. I was trying to at least get a Libra on it, but Sabin was imped the first round and Terra doesn't know Libra.

At least I managed to do a bit of damage. Terra's Firegaga did 9999 damage (the cap, I'm guessing) and Gogo mimiced it for 2k. I'm still not sure how mimic works but Gogo will probably do everything much weaker due to the lack of stats.

I've tried redoing the battle several times, and still haven't been able to cure Sabin fast enough to use Libra.

Oh come on, it also has a 4x Snort attack? What is this, Typhon?

Added Celes back because she knows Libra, as well as Mog because why not. At this point my only goal is to Libra it. Of course, I'll have to find it again first.

Also gave Sabin and Celes White Capes.

Mog learned Forest Nocturne.

Found it!

Level 77. HP 46050. MP 51420. Weak against Ice.

Just died again. Oh well, at least now I know what I'm up against. Don't think there's any way I can realistically beat it. The real problem is that it has a whole bunch of ridiculous magical abilities that can do stuff like 3k damage to every party member at once or similar nonsense. I'm not even sure how you're supposed to beat this thing, since I'm way higher leveled than you're supposed to be at this point and clearly still don't stand a chance.

And no, the Force Shield did nothing against those attacks. What is it even good for? I'm not sure what exactly counts as magic at this point.

Well enough dino hunting for now then. Guess I'll pick up Gau while I'm here.

Gau is only level 40, like Edgar and Setzer were. I'm actually kind of disapointed, since the last few I got were level 45. Oh well. Gau is another character that I basically haven't used at all, so he's gone from 12 to 40 on Pity Levels.

Next stop Tzen, so I can go shopping. Where by shopping, I mean cleaning out my inventory a bit.

Tzen now has Super Balls for sale. But I don't need to catch any more pokemon.

Sold all my scrolls and shruikens, plus weapons that look like they can only be used by Shadow. Also antidote and eyedrops and a few others, since I assume those are covered by remedy.

Why is the Sasuke only worth 1 gil?

Well I cleaned out my inventory a little, but I still have way too much junk. Partly because I don't know which weapons armor and relics I need to hold on to.

Now to investigate that mysterious single square of ground in the middle of a mountain range. When I tried to land before, it told me to form two parties.

I am in Phoenix Cave, apparently.

Oh man, this is one of those things where you need one party to stand on a pressure panel while the other goes through.

Sabin climbed up the random hook hanging there, and now I'm Setzer back on the Falcon for some reason.

Guess that just exited and undid everything. Not sure why my new party would be someone who didn't go though, instead of the party that climbed up.

Well time to try again.

Sabin just feel through the floor onto spikes. Does that actually hurt you?

Well walking onto spikes certainly does.

Sabin keeps getting hit by gravity before Celes can even go and runic, taking 2k damage each time. So I swapped out and gave him the force shield. Hopefully that will help.

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#133102: Oct 18th 2015 at 9:01:37 AM

Dude y'all chill.

Everybody knows we're all physical constructs created by the universe so that we could be studied by the beyond. We all don't really exist so what's the point of getting mad at anything. Chill and go with the flow, because if you don't, you already lost the battle.

Don't argue, only idiots and politicians argue. tongue

Also, I'm not gonna point out names, but that post was uncalled for and you know that. If you're with the rest of us, don't sell all us out like we're illegal criminals, it just makes ya sound so immature. Listen to your own advice.

We're all adults here, for the most part.

edited 18th Oct '15 9:22:54 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#133103: Oct 18th 2015 at 9:16:46 AM

Well I cleaned out my inventory a little, but I still have way too much junk. Partly because I don't know which weapons armor and relics I need to hold on to.

OOC: At this point, if an armor/weapon has mythril, iron, or leather in the name, sell it (though keep some spare mythril shields). I would also say sell the gold armors as well, but make sure you get crystal armors to replace them.

Sabin keeps getting hit by gravity before Celes can even go and runic, taking 2k damage each time. So I swapped out and gave him the force shield. Hopefully that will help.

Gravity is a percentage based attack. Judging by your post, Sabin is about 4000 HP, right? Gravity deals damage equal to 50% of the target's current HP. So being at 4k HP means taking 2k damage. Being at 2k HP means taking 1k damage and so on. At best, the force shield may block gravity due to its 50% magic evade.

To help you understand what the force shield is capable of, it can reduce the damage of most of the elemental spells by half (fire, ice, water, wind, lightning, and earth).

edited 18th Oct '15 9:24:20 AM by OrionAurora

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#133105: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:06:47 AM

Alright everybody. I know we're having a tough time with tumblr but we have a bigger threat on this thread. The Good Son is somewhere in here.

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#133107: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:11:47 AM

Final Fantasy 6: Why is Sabin outlined in green in battle? He doesn't have any relevant relics. I can't remember what green is, but I think it was one of teh good ones. IIRC, only white and pink are bad.

Sabin's force shield just blocked a revenge Graviga.

The shield looks kind of cool during teh block animation.

Terra just stepped on a switch to remove the first set of spikes. Of course, it's almost easier to just walk over the spikes and heal the damage later.

Terra's (Terra, Edgar, Umeros, and Gogo) team just got into its first battle. They won, though obviously not as fast as Sabin does.

Gogo keeps healing the enemies.

I just figured out how to give Gogo commands other than Mimic in the status menu. Time to see what 3 blitzes can do.

Why are all these chests empty?

I think Sabin just 9999'ed a Chaos Dragon with Razor Gale. They must be weak to air.

Sabin just walked onto some more spikes to open an empty chest. The spikes never bothered him anyway.

It seems there isn't much point to giving Gogo multiple blitz commands. They all do the same thing anyway.

For some reason, Trance isn't an option.

For some reason, there don't seem to be any Bushido capable weapons that Gogo can wield. How annoying. Why is Bushido even an option then? At least he can get Runic.

Equipping the Impartisan reduced Gogo's attack to 14, even though Impartisan supposedly has an attack of 253. Integer overflow? I hope this doesn't actually make him weaker.

Seriously, why is every single chest empty? I've only found one nonempty chest so far, IIRC.

Gogo's chainsaw is almost as strong as Edgar's.

For some reason, the game forgets everyone's cursor positions when switching parties. It's really annoying.

Gogo just died. And he was actually useful with the chainsaw too. Luckily Terra can raise him.

Seriously, what is with these empty chests?

Sabin can now walk on lava. He obtained Ribbon. Only the second item in this messed up cave.

I see a red dragon. If only Sabin were here. Of course, bringing them would require doing the whole dungeon over. Guess I'll give it a try with Terra's party.

Got a Dragon Horn. It makes you jump longer??

Avatar State!Terra just 9999'ed the Red Dragon with a Blizzara. Guess that wasn't so hard after all. It droped a sword for Cyan.

The A and B teams are finalyl reunited.

Oh, it's Locke!

So THAT's why all the chests were empty!

Guess the two with items were too dangerous for him to get to or something.

And he apparently found the dragonballs or ressurection stone or whatever.

Maybe a better analogy would be the Monster Rancher anime. The whole story arc was looking for the phoenix disk so they could bring everyone back to life. Which is pretty much what Locke as looking for, except magicite instead of disc.

Well that could have gone better. Should have glued over the cracks before using it.

Locke is levle 47. Much better than Gau.

One NPC tells Locke about the Growth Egg. Another suggests visiting Narshe to wake up the frozen esper. Next thing you know, they'll be suggesting a visit to Pheonix Cave.

Good thing the airship came with me to Kohligen. Would have been pretty awkward if everyone else was still stuck in/over Phoenix Cave. Speaking of which, I got a new esper.

Arise and Curaga look useful. I'll need to teach them to some people. But maybe later.

Time to check up on Relm again.

Nothing new with her.

Time to look around on Ebot's Rock, now that I actually remember where it is.

Doesn't seem to be anything of interest. No Zone Eaters anyway.

I think I've now got everyone but Cyan, Stragos, and Relm. Cyan is obviously in that town north of Maranda. I have no idea how to get Stragos or Relm though. I still need to visit Jidoor, Zozo, Doma and that blue thing, so that's probably it.

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#133108: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:12:22 AM

I think Marcen meant to say "good sauce."

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marcen12 Since: Feb, 2013
#133109: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:19:13 AM

No, no. I meant The Good Son! He's an eleven year old kid who drowned his little brother and put his sister into a coma. Everyone watch your back!

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#133110: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:19:30 AM

For some reason, there don't seem to be any Bushido capable weapons that Gogo can wield. How annoying. Why is Bushido even an option then? At least he can get Runic.

There is a relic that allows character to equip any item.

Equipping the Impartisan reduced Gogo's attack to 14, even though Impartisan supposedly has an attack of 253. Integer overflow? I hope this doesn't actually make him weaker.

Ah, that thing, it's part of the Imp Equipment. Yeah it makes him weaker, unless he is under the Imp effect in which case it makes him a beast.

Relm.. you should be able to recruit her... Oh right it works different if you don't save Shadow, where is she now?

Strago, you need Relm first. Cyan... close.

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#133111: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:27:41 AM

For some reason, there don't seem to be any Bushido capable weapons that Gogo can wield. How annoying. Why is Bushido even an option then?

OOC: There's nothing you can do to change this. Normally you would equip Gogo with the merit award which would give you the ability to equip any armor/weapon in the game for that character. However, due to a glitch in the SNES version, the dev's removed Gau and Gogo from equipping the merit award in the GBA version. Look up Wind God Gau if you want to know more.

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#133113: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:37:57 AM

@Teeth Yes! Now, I've already sent a letter to Luna because Celestia wouldn't help! :-)

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#133114: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:42:29 AM

where is she now?

She's in her bed in Thamasa, and talking to her does nothing.

Ah, that thing, it's part of the Imp Equipment. Yeah it makes him weaker, unless he is under the Imp effect in which case it makes him a beast.

Oh, didn't realize that. Guess I won't bother with it then.

At this point, if an armor/weapon has mythril, iron, or leather in the name, sell it (though keep some spare mythril shields). I would also say sell the gold armors as well, but make sure you get crystal armors to replace them.

I don't have any iron or leather stuff, but I seem to be still using the mythril stuff*, at least going by optimize equip. The thing is that I only have one or two sets of crystal armor too. I guess I should go buy a whole bunch of then sell all the mithril and golden stuff? I was hesitant to do that because I'm not sure who can equip what. Also, where do I buy it again? Kohligen?

Edit: *Only the shields I think. I don't remember if I have any other mithril stuff. Mostly what I have is a ton of unique sounding weapons, armor, and relics. There's also a whole bunch of random oddities, like a set of paintbrushes and cosplay outfits for Relm and Setzer's Dice and Cards. I also went ahead and sold all my rods.

edited 18th Oct '15 10:44:18 AM by storyyeller

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#133115: Oct 18th 2015 at 10:48:03 AM

It's funny because everyone's been warning me about relying on Sabin. But it appears that I've accidently stumbled on a really powerful strategy, because Sabin levels really fast and then everyone else gets a ton of Pity Levels. Most of my characters are currently level 45-47, and that's without any grinding. I hate to immagine what would have happened if I just used Sabin alone, instead of using two characters all the time (mostly Celes).

Well, more levels is certainly helpful, but those levels are free of Esper stat gains and don't give them any AP. So sure, they'll be up to level, but having no spells may be very problematic later on.

Speaking of the xp thing, I wonder if any speed runners use the solo Sabin strategy. It seems like it's much faster than playing the game normally due to the way the rebalancing works.

Kind of, but not with Sabin. They push Terra to level 7 before recruiting anyone else. Ideally, this happens from just fighting random battles walking into the trap, but sometimes they have to wander a bit. This bumps up everyone's starting level, which is the only time that it's worth the time at all. By the time they get Sabin, they barely fight any random battles because it's a pretty big waste of time. They usually finish the game somewhere around level 20, IIRC.

Also gave Sabin the Force Shield this time to see if that helps. Not sure if I should try replacing the Heroes Ring with a Hyper Wrist or not. I still don't really understand how damage is calculated.[[quoteblock]]

It's a function of your level and Str or Mag (dependent on ability) and the power of either your weapon or the ability you're using (which is a totally arbitrary value), divided by 32. Again, not something you can really compute on the fly. Relics that increase damage will generally add 25% of that number, such that you get x1.25 damage with one Relic and x1.5 damage with two (as opposed to x1.25x1.25). I believe you want to keep the Hero Ring because it applies that multiplier to both physical and magical damage and you're using both with Sabin.

[[quoteblock]]At least I managed to do a bit of damage. Terra's Firegaga did 9999 damage (the cap, I'm guessing) and Gogo mimiced it for 2k. I'm still not sure how mimic works but Gogo will probably do everything much weaker due to the lack of stats.

He uses the last ability the party used when he executes Mimic, not when the command is input. This can make making use of him a bit tricky. Also, I think the one thing he can't Mimic is the Desperation Attacks.

I'm not even sure how you're supposed to beat this thing, since I'm way higher leveled than you're supposed to be at this point and clearly still don't stand a chance.

And no, the Force Shield did nothing against those attacks. What is it even good for? I'm not sure what exactly counts as magic at this point.

You'll need better gear and spells. Levels are helpful, but this is an enemy you definitely can't brute force. At a minimum, you'll want Life 3/Reraise. Also, keep in mind that this is a sort of optional super boss (not on the same ridiculous level as the later Weapons in the PSX-era games, but still), so the designers sort of expect that you've grinded to some extent (including in AP) and nabbed some of the better gear.

There are certain spells that cannot be evaded and will pierce defenses. I believe Meltdown and Meteor fall under the former, and Meteor is also the latter. Ultima is another spell that is both.

Why is the Sasuke only worth 1 gil?

Elixirs and the best gear are generally only worth that much. I guess it's to discourage people from pawning off their best stuff.

Why is Sabin outlined in green in battle? He doesn't have any relevant relics. I can't remember what green is, but I think it was one of teh good ones. IIRC, only white and pink are bad.

That would be Shell and it reduces magic damage taken by 1/3. There's some non-Relic gear that gives you effects.

Equipping the Impartisan reduced Gogo's attack to 14, even though Impartisan supposedly has an attack of 253. Integer overflow? I hope this doesn't actually make him weaker.

Welcome to the Imp gear. It's utter garbage if you're not Imped, but assumes its full strength if you're Imped (the total opposite of how normal gear works with being Imped).

Got a Dragon Horn. It makes you jump longer??

[IIRC], it gives you a chance when you land a Jump command to keep jumping, stacking up the damage. This requires tying up both Relic slots for Dragoon items, but it's part of the setup I was talking about for Mog.

Time to look around on Ebot's Rock, now that I actually remember where it is.

Doesn't seem to be anything of interest. No Zone Eaters anyway.

You need to get the relevant party members before it'll let you do anything with this.

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marcen12 Since: Feb, 2013
#133116: Oct 18th 2015 at 11:06:42 AM

Alright...I have to get to work. I'll be back in some time. I have to get some weapons in case The Good Son decides to show up.

PS. If Scott comes on here, let him know The Good Son is somewhere here. He'll know what to do.

edited 18th Oct '15 11:08:09 AM by marcen12

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#133117: Oct 18th 2015 at 11:24:27 AM

Am I correct in assuming that you can't go back to fight the brachisaurus after entering Kefka's tower?

Also, Sabin's magic statis is ridiculously high (in the high 70s IIRC) because he's been using +Magic espers the whole time. But I'm not sure if there's any point to boosting it. Does it actually increase blitz damage? I'm guessing that magic stat does affect the amount Cura cures, which is why he heals more than double what Celes does, but that's a lot less useful. If not, then I guess I'll switch him to Phoenix or something so he can learn some useful spells.

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#133118: Oct 18th 2015 at 11:27:01 AM

No, once you enter Kefka's tower, that is it. (Well you can go back out if you need to, but it's the last thing before the game ends.)

If you want to just grind AP to teach spells, without worrying about power leveling with the wrong Stat boosting Esper equipped, use the Veldt. The encounters there give AP but not XP. For real fun, run around that one desert tillyou fight a cactaur, 10 AP per kill, and then they can show up in the Veldt.

edited 18th Oct '15 11:27:36 AM by Seraphem

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#133119: Oct 18th 2015 at 11:59:20 AM

Story: Yes, you can go back after entering Kefka's Tower. In fact, a lot of casual runners tend to go in, plunder the treasure, then retreat (you can walk back and grab the hook or use Warp). A really easy way to do this with treasure in the first 1/4 of the tower is to use Mog with the special Relic, sending him in on each of the three paths in turn.

Yes, Sabin's Mag increases everything other than Meteor Strike and Raging Fist (those two use Str). Every attack or skill that involves numbers (so stuff like Protect and Shell ignore Mag) makes use of Str or Mag in its damage/heal formula.

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#133120: Oct 18th 2015 at 12:40:31 PM

For real fun, run around that one desert tillyou fight a cactaur

Which desert is that?

Also, I've been wondering why Meteor Strike often does more damage than Razor Gale, given that Sabin has sky high magic and hasn't boosted STR at all. Maybe it's just that most bosses have higher magic defence than physical defence?

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#133121: Oct 18th 2015 at 12:43:55 PM

Could also be elemental resistance/weakness issues

The desert near Miranda, where you heard the guy talk about them. They only have 3 HP, but nearly maxed Def and Evade, but Blitzes should deal with that. Also, since you are using the Advanced version, keep walking around for awhile and killing lots of them. tongue

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#133123: Oct 18th 2015 at 12:55:08 PM

Razor Gale is also an AoE attack and those tend to come with relatively low spell powers. If you're looking for single target Mag damage, Aura Cannon will probably do more than Razor Gale.

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#133124: Oct 18th 2015 at 12:57:35 PM

Also, I'm not gonna point out names, but that post was uncalled for and you know that. If you're with the rest of us, don't sell all us out like we're illegal criminals, it just makes ya sound so immature. Listen to your own advice.

Okay, I was going to let this go, but goddammit, seriously? I'm not selling us out as criminals, I'm saying it's just as unfair to throw all of tumblr under the bus because of a minority of loud morons as it is to throw all bronies under the bus because of the dregs of our community. Of all the groups that should know better than to shit on an entire group of people for the unflattering public image assigned to them by the internet's hivemind, I would have thought it would be us.

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Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#133125: Oct 18th 2015 at 1:06:21 PM

There is a difference between Tumblr, the site, and a general statement of anyone who has a blog on that site. Hell I have three, and I still find the overall environment of that site, outside of staying to a very small group or people, being SJW BS of being offended at EVERYTHING simply for the sake of being offended.


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