RWBY General Discussion

Well I am seriously considering just that. While Volume 6 was an improvement in terms of quality, some stuff about it is so uncreative and downright lazy that it makes me doubt if the writers will do anything cool or unexpected in the future. I will probably binge-watch Volume 7 after it comes out, but my expectations are pretty low.

Aside from commenting here, which in itself I already rarely do during the off-season, I haven't been a part of the fandom since about half of Volume 4. And like you, I'm going to take a look at Volume 7, but I'm not expecting anything at all.

I don't expect RWBY to die over it's quality, since it does manage to keep a bottom level of it that's enough to coast on, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear it's own fandom killed it, especially with how RT seems to cultivate some of the worst elements in it sometimes.

Um. Does anyone want to give me feedback on what we're doing with the character pages? (Sandbox)

Also, we need to decide what we're doing for Volume 7 regarding the troping delay message. For Volume 6, the delay was only on the characters and main work pages. However, there were issues with that because people thought it should be extended to all RWBY pages (including the Moments pages), especially since that's what other works that enforce a troping delay. So, should we leave it unchanged, should we remove it, or should we extend it.

I'd rather we make a decision on both things well in advance of Volume 7 starting because part of the problem with the delay message was that we only decided to do it a couple of days before Volume 6 started, so it was a rush job without proper consultation.

Edited by Wyldchyld on May 12th 2019 at 12:50:25 PM

And for those who came in late, we should also keep in mind the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup thread.

I believe I've already given mine. Go with the first scenario, but merge the Sanus page back together, unless you are expecting some major influx of information about Vacuo-based characters.

And sure, expand the delay. I don't really care that much, reasons stated above, but I imagine some people migh appreciate it.

Edited by Tharkun140 on May 12th 2019 at 1:53:37 PM

@TheLovecraftian: Honestly I'm really curious where they go from here story wise, it's really not obvious to me what direction they're going in after the volume 6 blowout*; while FAR from perfect, 6 tied together a bunch of the plot threads into something that I think has the potential to be really interesting, though they'll likely drag it out for god damned ever if the previous volumes are any indication.

* Which I maintain should have gone at the end of the volume, it feels climactic in contrast to the stuff that comes after it.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on May 12th 2019 at 11:14:00 AM

Blowout? What blowout? Did I miss something? I haven't looked at the forum properly in a while. What with it being mostly discussion about the characters page.

Anyhow, I am curious to see where they're going, I just don't have any great expectations. I've come to the conclusion that, much like my relationship with Red Vs Blue, I don't mind continuing to watch RWBY, I just might be less passionate about the whole thing. I've certainly stopped enjoying it as much as I used to. But then it's only once a year, and it comes out on a day that I have little to do, so I don't see the harm in continuing to watch for now.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on May 13th 2019 at 10:27:58 AM

I’m at the point where I’m even struggling to consider watching RVB, through no faults of its own, but I’m just drained from all the nonsense going on from the company. This year will be the last I’ll attend RTX, for economic reasons foremost, unless RT fixes things that I’d want to go back to again.

I'm only following RWBY because I like the discussions about it here. I feel that from them, I gained of good idea of what not to do when writing a story, and how other factors besides writing affect the quality of the story.

Like for example, if RT were able to get more episodes out at a faster rate so that what is V6 is now "V3", in terms of labeling, people would probably have less criticism of the show. But no, it took like 4 or 5 years to actually make progress with the main story.

Edited by RedRob on May 13th 2019 at 3:25:05 PM

I sometimes wonder if my more positive leaning opinion on RWBY is at least partially because I binged the entire series over the course of a week or two not long after V6 finished up, as it sounds like at least part of the backlash later volumes have is the result of slow pacing, which isn't a huge deal breaker when you don't have to wait for new episodes of a particular season to come out. Not trying to invalidate others criticisms of it though, it's just a thought I had.

It's a probable issue, and one I've seen the possibility mentioned many times, but I don't think it's a general thing.

Speaking for myself, I have serious issues with the wasted potential and the poor writing in RWBY, and most of that comes from Volume 5 and how I started to see the entire show, in hindsight and going forward, since then. It's possible that the pacing contributed to that, but I don't feel it was the main factor in my personal problem with RWBY.

The RWBY fandom being the RWBY fandom is a problem apart from all of that. I've survived noxious fandoms before.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on May 14th 2019 at 8:29:11 AM

All I was trying to say with my comment is that the pacing and runtime exacerbates some of the show's issues.

All big fandoms with think they have either the best or the worst fans.

Honestly, RWBY fandom is fine. Not perfect, but I've seen so many worse fandoms.

You are not the worst fandom ever until you actually have fans who get arrested for harassing the creators.

I'm not going to mention which fandom but I think some of you know which ones I'm talking.

I wouldn't say the RWBY fandom is the worst I've ever seen, but it is far from fine. Considering one of the creators just went "love it or leave it", and that these days almost any subject gets them ranting on at least three other different subjects and throwing accusations, fine is something they are absolutely not right now.

Where did Barbara say that?

Twitter was where it started, if I'm not mistaken. She didn't use those exact words, but remarked that if people had a show/series they didn't like or found issues with, nothing was stopping them from leaving. Then the more noxious parts of the fandom ran with that and went on a more "love it or leave it" interpretation of that, to which she showed support. At no point she mentioned RWBY itself, now that I look at it, but the RWBY fandom did run with it, and she didn't make any comments opposing that view within the fandom, even as it developed on her own tweet.

Further down her tweet, for example, someone mentions how people should be allowed to discuss why they don't like something anymore, and her answer was that this would serve no purpose, and people should be allowed to enjoy things without others trying to ruin those things for them. To which another fan supported her by quoting that phrase about opinions being like assholes, and telling the poster that if his opinion isn't requested, he shouldn't give it. And again, Barbara spoke nothing of it.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on May 15th 2019 at 8:48:29 AM

Wow, a popular series has a lot of haters? That does sound something out of ordinary.

she didn't really say "love it or leave it" i don't remember what she said but it was closer to let people like the show instead of trying to tear it down for them. This was after a "fan" sent a pic to her of Yang and Blake killing each other.

Edited by Ryno_v on May 15th 2019 at 6:22:13 AM

A series where any discussion turns into long, overblown arguments about queerbaiting, harassment to the creators over fictional events, mentions backed by those same creators that criticism should not be made, and accusations that the original creator's vision is being corrupted are, admittedly, normal these days, which still does not mean they're a sign of a healthy fandom. None of those things are fine.

Also, I'm not just saying the series has haters. In fact, I'm primarily bothered by it's defenders, who are just as noxious as the haters themselves. That's the problem with the RWBY fandom right now.

It's true she didn't say those exact words. But she has been giving support to the people saying them right after a tweet encouraging people who dislike the show to leave it and to not discuss why they dislike it, which, at the very least, shows a problematic lack of awareness as to the things her actions show support for.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on May 15th 2019 at 8:28:42 AM

The fandom here is fine, but elsewhere is a much different story. It's not enough to say it's the worst, but I don't feel right saying there aren't any bad apples or behaviors the creators encourage.

Usually every series have a toxic fandom, is the nature of the beast what can bother other, like facism apologist of warhammer and star wars(weird how to mention both in the same breath), the obsesive and annoying fangirling of supernatural and so own.

Now I can see why barbara said that, it is a fine opinion, specially because "discuss" more often than not mean "whinning and complaing" because in the internet, moderation is for wimps.

Not surprising, the defender just prove my point.

Decided to peek back in here. I'm...conflicted that what I've insisted since Volume 3 and throughout Volume 4 has appeared to become the norm. I truly did wish it to become better since there are things that I like in a vacuum. However, a story's end impact doesn't exist in a vacuum. They're the sum of their parts.

RWBY still reminds me of all kinds of poor storytelling I've ran into over time. There's plenty of cool ideas, but the creators behind it don't know how to consistently handle it.

I will feel volume 3 actually have the oposite problem, it was a build up from two previous season and it was a rollercoster of moment to the point it was pretty damn tense, but is final blow up that with ruby near deus ex machina

I'd still prefer a story that's solid throughout it's run but has an underperforming end than a story that's consistently disappointing and poorly written, but has a bombastic climax.

Which is not to say that's what RWBY's doing. To my mind, it hasn't really performed well on either end since Volume 3.

@unknown As I've argued in the past, season 1 and season 2 weren't all that good serial wise either. I've also maintained that RWBY has NEVER had a good climax to any season. The closest was season 4, which I still liked when it came to seeing them solve their own problem for once, but the biggest problem was the lack of proper build up. As I covered before, their entire conflict with that Grimm lacks an Act 2. Or, for those people who don't like using that terminology, there is no middle, no real conflict between them. There's an introduction then a conclusion. There's no struggle.

I've heard plenty of excuses made for season 1 and 2, though I don't feel like reiterating all my arguments. And it fails at blending the episodic and serial aspects quite often.

I'll come back to this later on, actually. I think, for fun, I'll do my own assessment of where things go wrong, why they go wrong, examples from other things where it works, why it works, and, hell, I want to explore some of the things in a vacuum RWBY does well.