RWBY General Discussion

Who would be the counselor?

Shopkeep of course. Or maybe Ruby, because in a sense I think that’s going to happen in the actual show in a sort of roundabout way.

You're the only one who can decide what it's like, so you'll have to watch it and see what you think.

I didn't mind Volume 6, with the exception of the final conflict of the volume — the antagonist hit all my buttons, and not in a good way. Beyond that, the volume was pretty good.

That said, you should know that I did not have the issues many other people had with Volume 5. It's not that I didn't have issues, it's that I seem to have looked at Volume 5 in a different way to most people.

We'd obviously need a follow up to the sketch where Qrow and Winter spent all that time fighting, only to end up in Ozpin's office being lectured at. You know, the one where Ozpin tells the audience that flirting was a lot less destructive in his day.

Because, as it turns out, Ozpin and Salem's flirting clearly wasn't destructive at all. The divorce on the other hand... well, clearly Qrow and Winter don't have the first clue about destructive relationships and need an object lesson from the experts.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 9th 2019 at 2:15:45 PM

Apparently, SirAdamus has raised a proposal about rewriting Raven's section in the RWBY Kingdoms article to something less needlessly antagonistic here, since Raven's not a villain in the first place. Speaking of villain tropes, me and Wyldchyld have both shared similar concerns about the antagonistic tropes for that character. We may need to look into it.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 9th 2019 at 12:05:50 PM

I also didn't understand people's issues with volume 5. It might be that I came in just as the volume started, so I was frustrated with all the meandering of volume 4 - volume 5 went somewhere, slowly, whereas volume 4 did donuts at a slightly faster clip.

I don't mind touching up the folders that are suspected to be written by detractors, but Raven is pretty firmly a villain. Just because she's got more scruples about it than Cinder (not much of a milestone here), it doesn't change the fact that she's been colluding with the baddies the entire volume, as if we can forget all the villages in the region her bandits torched.

If she returns to the narrative, it's likely she'll be in a more positive light, but that has yet to come.

Reading what the opinion was it was that there was a bias in writing to paint her in the most negative light possible and a few outright fabrications. She's certainly not a paragon of morality, but she's not the devil incarnate either.

So the woman who murdered a young girl to get her power and then gloats about how she torched a village, not to mention setting up the trap specifically to murder her brother, is tots a good guy.

Got it.

The problem with V5 is that it was just really poorly executed. V4 went in circles, but at least looked alright doing it. V5 went somewhere, but barely, and looked like crap doing it. Seriously, the season finale was supposed to be a climactic final battle of an entire multi-season story arc, and it was laughably bad.

I thought the current conversation was about Raven's character and character page, not an impetus to begin another V5 hate boner circle jerk. I get that you and others hate the season, but for heaven's sake let it go it's been over a year.

Edited by CryoJNik on Mar 10th 2019 at 9:23:12 AM

It's almost like issues don't go away with time or something.

I was specifically responding to someone who said "I didn't understand people's issues with V5". That's all. It's not like I jumped out of the woodwork to shit on V5 unprompted.

Anyway, me and Wyldchyld have shared misgivings of those villain tropes for Raven as noted a few pages back.

@psyga I would ask that you not make straw man arguments that nobody here is claiming. The point was that Wyldchyld and and gjjones found that Raven’s character sheet was needlessly antagonistic to the point of bias.

That also includes SirAdamus. Here's his quote from the discussion page for details.

I think this calls for a sandbox write-up of Raven's section.

Edited by gjjones on Mar 10th 2019 at 6:28:55 AM

I have a question. I see a lot of detailed posts where people talk about what they think should have happened, or shouldn't have happened. But I am curious what people think of the show based just on what it is, and not what it isn't. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss what the show could have done differently (I have sometimes), I just wanted to know what the opinion of the show is if you're just judging it based on what actually has happened, and not what could have happened or should have happened.

In other words, do people actually think this is a good (or at least decent) show, or just has the potential to be one?

Most people here and on other, equally smaller forums think the latter, while the majority of fans elsewhere are the former.

I think you've answered your own question. The way I understand it, we mostly talk about what the show could be because we think it has the potential to be many good things, but is still short of that goal (the distance of which depends on who's talking).

"I get that you and others hate the season, but for heaven's sake let it go it's been over a year."

Here's the thing...

Volume 5 happened. And for most viewers, unless they decide to skip around unnecessary episodes like what Japan did with the Jaune Arc, they're going to experience Volume 5.

You know how people get excited over new reactors? Well, you realize that they're gonna have to stomach Volume 5. Thankfully not as badly as the people who watched it be drip-fed to them weekly, but still.

They have to go through an entire volume of sitting around, talking about how people "changed", boiling down characters to one word, and if they're lucky, they'll have a decently animated fight scene if they don't cut it off screen.

Volume 5 is a thing. It happened. We will always be reminded of it thanks to newcomers coming across it. It will always be a part of RWBY's playlist. It will always be referenced in later Volumes. This isn't like a crappy adaptation of a comic book or a weird spin-off where we can chalk it up as non-canon, make fun of it, and it'll be out of sight, out of mind. Volume 5 happened. And unless RT decides "Okay, Volume 5 is unnecessary, here's the cliffnotes. Go watch Volume 6 instead", someone does a Richard Donner cut of Volume 5 or someone does a rewrite of Volume 5 that is palatable with the rest of the series (as in you don't need to watch that person's other rewrites about how Remnant is completely changed into some map that you see in a Paradox game with only two of the Kingdoms keeping their names or how Blake has a completely different backstory that somehow paints Adam as the good guy), people will have to put up with Volume 5 and how it happened.

It was a mistake, and unfortunately, everyone will receive that grim reminder.

Major Bummer Dude.

I'll binge from the beginning, since I'd like to get fresh.

Starting from mid season book 4 seems like a bad idea.

@The Lovecraftian

It is true that the show has the potential to be many things. But I just wonder if that's the only reason some people are watching. Do you actually get any enjoyment out of the show, or just watch it hoping it will turn into something else?

If its the latter then... I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but wouldn't it make more sense to find another show that's closer to what you actually want?

It just reminds me of fans of The Walking Dead, who keep watching the show in the vain hope that it will finally "get good".

It Seems True those things Sir Adamus brought up Are Untrue and her page may be worth a look at. But I don't see those(Her "anger issues" or "Willingness to use violence" as making Raven out to be better or worse morality wise, just different then in canon.

And on the other stuff, calling Raven "Pretentious" Is hardly inaccurate. Her Philosophy is Riddled with Hypocrisy, Contradictions and Excuses, and Yang herself outright calls her out on all of it at the end of Volume 5.

Edited by Kylotrope on Mar 11th 2019 at 3:19:25 AM

I can't speak for others, but for myself, I still do get some enjoyment out of RWBY, even if not as much as I would have wanted to. This last volume was very good in places, and there were even some occasional hidden moments in V5 that I quite appreciate. There are still moments of character writing, animation and story beats that I find good. I gave glowing praise of this volume's episode 2, for example, as well as the Neo fight in episode 5, and I was very positive towards Volume 5's twist and it's execution, and those things have not changed despite all my criticism of the show's other aspects and it's creators.

However, I can't deny that that question (Do you actually get any enjoyment out of the show, or just watch it hoping it will turn into something else?) has been keeping me on the edge of dropping the show since the end of Volume 5. Volume 6 entertained me enough to stick around, but I still have severe issues with the show, issues that, if I don't think are satisfactorily addressed in the future, will certainly lead me to drop it, for the exact reason you mentioned in your question.

There's one other thing I wanted to ask. I haven't been here in a while, but I remember when season 6 was in progress, a lot of people felt that Salem was being childish in regards to her reaction to her lover's death, and people were saying the gods were at least somewhat justified in what they did. Do people still feel that way?

Did people ever consider the five stages of grief? Denial, anger, bargaining, grief/depression, and acceptance. It seems like Salem was probably going through these stages at the time she met the gods, so it could be argued that her reactions were understandable. Maybe the gods, if they were as great and wise as they claimed, should have recognized this, and been more merciful. Of course, to me they came off as, if not evil, then at least amoral. It seems like they're the biggest villains in this series, and should probably be the ultimate villains that the heroes have to overcome.

But maybe people have already mentioned this stuff. Just making some observations, albeit rather late.

Mourning Ozma was fine, the God of light even pitied her....But It was After she tried to manipulate darkness that light dropped his pity.

And even then, Light and Darkness said Salem could be free of the Curse if she learned why the Balance of life and death was important. She refused too.