Troper Communist Hangout

I'm usually only technically pacifist. I mean, I have the pacifist civic giving me +100% culture, but I still go to war, on occasion. I just tend to make the wars short. Usually from attacking those much weaker than me.

Sometimes, near the end-game, I just nuke everyone left for lulz. Playing Gandhi makes it more memetic.

Once I went culture approach all religions were found by me.

edited 29th Nov '12 6:59:11 AM by CaptainKatsura

I usually play as the Iroquois, who came with the mod I'm using.

I usually found most of the religions, but rarely all. Which becomes useful when I become secular, and have all of the religions in all of my cities.

In Europa Universalis series Iroquois and other Native America factions are for veterans. Because of European tendency to happily curbstomp everyone that it's not Christian (so it's good to adopt Christianity even at cost of displeasement of your subjects) and penalties to your research due to your status as tribal nation and isolation penalty. There is no competetive balance to reflect history accurate. It's not that you can't go beyond your tribal status but it's hard, since you need to be in contact with Europeans and survive. If you're good, you can upgrade yourself to Western research group, but you'll be still severaly behind those countries who belonged to that group from the start.

Well, in Civ, there's no penalty to playing a Native American civilization. The disadvantage that would be gotten is only on maps of the actual world and is from resources in the Americas, which I believe are more scarce for early game.

"Advantage" for South American civilizations in EU is that they have plenty of gold. Which ruins their economy thanks to inflation. Gold is valuable, but there is no point in acquiring it if your economy does not have other sources of income to nullify inflation penalty.

I don't know much about communism. Except that a lot of people seem to dislike it for no other reason than because they're supposed to dislike it.

Polish people have at least an excuse. Soviet Union attacked us two times, and installed their puppepts which ruled us from 1945 to 1989.

...So their "advantage" is a disadvantage?

Communism, at its basics, is a collection of systems which share a similar economic system.

More specifically, it this economic system is a system that removes all private property from the hands of the individuals to the hands of the community. Now, I should note, there is a difference between private property and personal property that is important. Private property is capital or means of production. This includes anything used to make a profit off of, and implies a social relationship of some sort, such as selling a book. Personal property, on the other hand, are physical things with which there is only a relationship between you and the object. These are personal and are an extension of oneself. This could include your favorite book or a stuffed animal. Communism only abolishes private property, not personal property.

There are many types of communism, but they all share that same economic model of the abolishment of private property.

edited 29th Nov '12 9:13:12 AM by deathpigeon

In communist Poland majority of private property belonged in theory to state, but in practice to officials who treated it like private property and were more neglectful and less inefficient than real company owners since they could not pass down their property to their chosen heirs and could be stripped of their rights any time, so they milked companies they managed as much as they could even if their actions ruined economy. If not for small scale private owners, craftsmen and independent farmers (who were more efficient than communist farms) the situation in Poland would be far worse. Basically, because our government was more tolerant of dissidents and private entepreneurs than their fellow communist slaves of Soviet Union, we called ourselves "the merriest barracks in socialist concentration camp".

And, now, you're getting to why everyone hates Communism. The Marxist experiments around the globe failed. Badly. And not in the way that they failed to achieve what they set out to do. They failed in the way that gets everyone to hate you after you go. You see, Marxist theory says that we aren't ready for true communism matched with true democracy, yet. Because of that, Marxist theory holds that there needs to be a transitional period with a dictator teaching us how to be Communist. After we're ready, according to Marxist theory, said dictator would voluntarily step down.

The problem is that none of the dictators ever stepped down. To make things worse, they were horribly corrupt and, in some cases, incompetent. This lead to massive amounts of people dying under Marxist states by mismanagement alone and many more being abused or killed for daring to think something different than the state would allow.

Now, many also dislike it on principle. The rich, for example, kind of want to keep their private property so that they'll continue being rich. Another thing that many don't like about it is that, in Marxist theory, there should be violent revolutions of the proletariat against the rich capitalists. Most people don't like the thought of violent revolutions happening in every country. Though, I should note, not all forms of capitalism include that as a part of them, but Marxism, which is the most well known and popular, does.

Basically, the Marxists gave us a bad name.

You're over-simplifying Marxism. It's not that monolithic. Take autonomism, council communism or Situationism, for example.

edited 29th Nov '12 10:23:32 AM by TenTailsBeast

It doesn't also help that some self alleged "communists", in Poland for example, use Soviet imagery like hammer and sickle. They should call themselves lucky that they are not rotting in jails, since Polish constitution officially forbides use of National Socialist and Soviet symbols. It's cops who are lazy and fear of the leninist students (the type of dumb people who wear shirts with known murderer called Che Guevara) and their parents' whining how government supresses freedom of speech.

edited 29th Nov '12 10:29:52 AM by CaptainKatsura

Murder is bad, of course. But if you tried to ban those symbols here in America, you'd be in hot water, regardless of our culture's collective hatred for the Nazis and Soviets (to the point some people think they are the same).

Well, if America were invaded and razed to ground, with all industry destroyed or dismantled by both Germany and Soviet Union, then enslaved by the former for 45 years, you would have the same attitude. How much more advanced we would be if the Second Republic survived. For example, many of those Jews who fled or got killed were brilliant at mathematics and other disciplines of science.

1. You can't possibly know how I'd react. You don't know me.

2. Wearing a symbol in and of itself is not much of a reason for someone to "rot in jail".

Try to wave Nazi flag in front of Jewish or Polish people, then. Reactions would be not positive at all.

That paragraph of Constitution also includes spreading of tolitarian ideas, of which Nazi and Soviet symbolism is embodiment. Rotting in jail is only two years though.

edited 29th Nov '12 11:36:04 AM by CaptainKatsura

@Tobi: I never said or tried to imply that Marxism is monolithic. I apologize if that was what it seemed like I was saying.

Also, wearing a Nazi flag or Soviet Hammer and Sickle would be protected under the First Amendment in the US, so the banning of them would not be allowed.

Alchemicals! :V

/crazyobsessioninterludeover >.> Sorry.

edited 29th Nov '12 11:49:08 AM by Adannor

Why the fuck would I want to do that? I'm not a Nazi. I just think perhaps the government could find better things to do than censor people.

edited 29th Nov '12 11:44:59 AM by Morgikit

...I wonder what form of Communism the Alchemicals adhere the closest to...

LOL "only".

Well, just example how people here feel on average when seeing such symbolism. I didn't mean to offend.

Either longer sentence or to mental asylum with such idiots. Morons who demolished old Jewish cemetaries and painted svastikas over tobstones got only one year.

I personally think that the First Amendment is too irresponsible without any explicit limit on free speech. Even total scums like Neonazis can try to find loophole to abuse it.

edited 29th Nov '12 11:58:51 AM by CaptainKatsura

That should definitely be cracked down on.

Sadly, many of perpetrators does not get caught. Podlasie, who happens to be one of most backward places of Poland and where those acts happen, has witnessed revival of fascist groups, who ironically both use Nazi imagery and symbols of pre-war Polish fascists (Polish fascists of that period hated everything German fanatically, included Nazis, so they are rolling in their graves.)

As our pre-war ultra-right hated fervently German national socialism, the ultra-left who seized power after 1926 and established military junta hated and persecuted Marxism-leninism. Interesting pattern, and real life example of Even Evil Have Standards. For example, our fascists dreamed of deporting Jews to Palestine (they argued that both nations should be seperate so they won't compete economically), so they were in favor of Sionist movement.

edited 29th Nov '12 12:19:58 PM by CaptainKatsura