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buttcheeksontoast Since: Apr, 2017
#14226: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:36:32 PM

Ah, I forgot that. Thanks!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14227: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:15:02 PM

The question seems inherently odd to me - the answer seems obvious that if you don't have any Eldian blood then injecting Titan serum does nothing.

Whether more people than they're aware of have Eldian blood really has nothing to do with the fact that you need Eldian blood to become a Titan/inherit the power of the Titans.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#14228: Feb 27th 2021 at 9:04:43 PM

We also know the tests can be messed with considering The Owl managed to get someone to falsify his blood test to infiltrate the Marleyans. This does suggest that their is a possibility that some Marleyan with a grudge could falsify the test and have some Marleyans tossed in Liberio but I doubt that occurs very often.

We also don't know exactly how much Eldian blood someone really needs to be able to be turned into a Titan. Is it a one drop rule or is a certain threshold?

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#14229: Feb 28th 2021 at 12:30:26 AM

I mean, considering all subjects of Ymir must be descended from her, it must be even less than a drop.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14230: Feb 28th 2021 at 2:45:53 AM

So the Sasha death episode aired on Toonami tonight. I have to ask people, what did you think about Sasha? Because honestly I've never really felt connected to the outrage over her death.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#14231: Feb 28th 2021 at 3:28:46 AM

Well she was fine. You know a good source of comedy and all that, plus able to help out whenever she could. Like she was never particularly plot relevant but she was never dead weight & and she got a pretty good time in some spotlight with the whole archery on horseback.

When she died I was like "Oh shit man" but I wouldn't say it affected me that much. Not that it wasn't an incredibly tragic moment but ya know not every moment can utterly destroy you after all.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 28th 2021 at 3:29:46 AM

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#14232: Feb 28th 2021 at 5:26:25 AM

She was a comedic character that got an arc a while ago. Out of all characters I wasn't surprised that she died. She did atleast get some cool moments before she did though like fighting off a Titan briefly with just a bow and sniping one of the Panzer unit members which would of taken a lot of skill considering they were in a unpredictable tank.

I personally never really found the brand of humor used with her funny myself so I didn't really have much attachment to her other than her being sort of badass without being an broken Ackerman or trained since birth Annie.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#14233: Mar 1st 2021 at 5:31:44 AM

Just Write did a video on the dangers of Allegory in the series. Including pointing out a 100% justified military coup is a common belief of fascism.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#14234: Mar 1st 2021 at 5:41:18 AM

The American Revolution, the French Revolution, the October Revolution, the Cuban Revolution... Not fascist. Authoritarian and with heavy military involvement? Without a doubt.

Fascism has the element of trying to go back to a glorious past. That's why "Make America great again" and all its international variants stink of fascism, or why the Jaegerists are fascist pieces of shit. "Return to rightful glory" as the bullshit enabling them to be homicidal "us vs them" regressive shits is the common denominator of fascism.

Edited by Eriorguez on Mar 1st 2021 at 2:44:45 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#14235: Mar 1st 2021 at 5:46:39 AM

The Frecnh Revolution gave rise to an authoritarian dictatorship under Naopoleon. Who even tried to pull Divine Right to go with making himself Emperor by remaking the Hand of Justice.

Typically violent revolutions give rise, unsurprisingly to tyrannical regimes no better than what came before. Of which all but one of those do exactly that.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 1st 2021 at 5:47:55 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#14236: Mar 1st 2021 at 6:15:33 AM

Napoleon happened a while after the French revolution tho, even if subsequently. To say nothing of how differently the French Revolution is treated in either side of the Atlantic.

And, for all the bad things Napoleon pulled out, the absolutist restoration that pushed in Europe as a response was WORSE. Because, well, ABSOLUTISM.

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#14237: Mar 1st 2021 at 7:03:12 AM

oh god he pulled out the big nosed titan card

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#14238: Mar 1st 2021 at 9:29:42 AM

yeah, summing up the french revolution to "it gave rise to napoleon" is fucking up on the timeline quite a bit. If anything, the weaknesses of the system that was established after the revolution gave room for Napoleon to rise (through a coup, no less), not the revolution itself.

Especially since, you know, you can make the same point but much, much more pertinent by pointing at Robespierre and his consorts about how they were on their merry way to twist the revolution into their own authoritarian government merely a year after the revolution rather than ten years down the line. and that the only thing that stopped him was that he went Stalin-like paranoid and executed most of his collaborators, before being ultimately executed himself by the rest of the republic since he just isolated himself.

Edited by Yumil on Mar 1st 2021 at 6:32:27 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14239: Mar 1st 2021 at 3:21:12 PM

[up][up]I mean, he did that specifically because he noted alt-rightist and White supremacist latching onto it. That didn't come out of nowhere.

Anyway, that was a pretty good video. It delves into a lot of things we've already talked about here and things we didn't.

We can debate what the story is or isn't trying to say intentionally, but if a lot of people come away with the message that committing war crimes and genocide is acceptable/the only real option it shouldn't be controversial to say that's a problem, at least potentially.

SilentColossus Since: Feb, 2010
#14240: Mar 1st 2021 at 4:46:08 PM

Great video really summarizing all the issues with the subtext and how the text about how "racism and war are bad" doesn't do enough to explain away all those issues.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#14242: Mar 1st 2021 at 9:20:07 PM

While we're on the subject of whether the story intentionally left no other option or whether it's all supposed to be on Eren, I've always felt it was supposed to be a mix: the situation always left them with few options and it's not hard to see why someone might go extreme, but at the same time this exact outcome is really only possible because of the kind of person Eren is.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#14243: Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:37:50 AM

Someone I talked to on Twitter said it best: fascism and extremism are awful things people who are possessed by fear, wrath, and greed resort to when they attempt to replace trust and goodwill with power, and this violence perpetuates a cycle. This is based on where the Anime is at btw.

That said, he's curious on what the conclusion will be, but he wonders if Eren will get some type of redemption and I had to restrain myself...

But yea, I understand what they tried to do with Armin last chapter, just thought it was kind of clunky.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#14244: Mar 2nd 2021 at 5:43:02 AM

Eren has always been violent and unflexible. Reiner was right when he first learned about him having the coordinate.

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#14245: Mar 2nd 2021 at 6:18:35 AM

I don't think Reiner is in any position to judge somebody for being inflexible.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#14246: Mar 2nd 2021 at 6:41:43 AM

A broken clock is right twice a day after all.

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#14247: Mar 2nd 2021 at 1:13:54 PM

While we're on the subject of whether the story intentionally left no other option or whether it's all supposed to be on Eren, I've always felt it was supposed to be a mix: the situation always left them with few options and it's not hard to see why someone might go extreme, but at the same time this exact outcome is really only possible because of the kind of person Eren is.

I mean there's really no debate here. There were other options even Eren admits to that but he despises those other options more than genocide of every other country that's not Paradis. He won't sacrifice Historia, the fertility of his people or have any other potential risks so he went extremist.

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#14248: Mar 2nd 2021 at 1:50:40 PM

"There were other options but he won't sacrifice the fertility of his people" is one way to put it. Another is "there were no options that a) had a real chance of working long-term (ie the 50-year plan) or b) wouldn't result in the genocide of Paradis (the euthanasia plan)".

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#14249: Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:21:04 PM

I will never condone extremist genocide at all, and it's rather clear Eren's solution isn't correct in any capacity, but it's kind of downplaying the choices he was given to just say he went extremist because he felt like it.

When given the choices of; sacrificing someone who put their own life on the line for his own, condemning his entire race to euthanization by infertility, or just putting the problem off to someone else, its a bit more complicated than just "Eren bad, everyone else good"

As I said, the events that led to these circumstances should have never happened at all is the point; because of fear, greed, and wrath it has birth a world that is constantly at war with itself, and that can only be solved by looking past those feelings. Both sides aren't wrong for feeling how they feel, but the actions it's caused them to take is the issue.

Given the type of world he was born into and what he's seen, its not really any surprise that Eren became a monster.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 2nd 2021 at 6:21:59 AM

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#14250: Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:06:21 PM

a) had a real chance of working long-term (ie the 50-year plan)

Eren doesn't know that and neither do we. Eren can't see 50 years into the future nor can he see alternative futures.

As far as we know thus far, Eren doesn't even know if his plan will get him what he wants.

I will never condone extremist genocide at all, and it's rather clear Eren's solution isn't correct in any capacity, but it's kind of downplaying the choices he was given to just say he went extremist because he felt like it.

But I didn't say that Eren just felt like it as in it was on a whim though.

Edited by MadSkillz on Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:26:48 AM

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