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Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 5:41:36 PM

Also it would never work out since Rachel wants Kitty.

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Fight You, No I Wanna Kill You
Sep 13th 2018 at 5:46:11 PM

That's even more reason to get them together.

I want to see how this particular attempt falls flat on its face like a mannequin with no legs. evil grin

Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Sep 13th 2018 at 6:03:16 PM

Technically Rachael isn't an actual biological Summers child, sweet or otherwise

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
Sep 13th 2018 at 6:13:42 PM

If Rachel really wanted Kitty, she would have changed her name to Peter by now.

Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 6:18:11 PM

Kitty needs to break the vicious cycle of her romantic failures.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor
The Mad Doctor
Sep 13th 2018 at 6:21:04 PM

I'm waiting for Marvel to introduce a character who is made of the hopes and dreams of Marvel couples and is angry that none of them ever last, including someone that sold his marriage to the devil.

Sep 13th 2018 at 6:52:56 PM

Miles gets a new series written by Saladin Ahmed and art by Javier Garron[1]

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Comedic Super Troper
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:22:15 PM

Shit, everybody is talking about the recent comics now:

  • Fantastic Four: Now it peaked at nerdgasm levels . . . thank God my bedroom ceilings are white, wish I could say the same for the carpet. Anyway I enjoy the comic a lot. It's good to see what happened to Future Foundation out of all of this. The new villain of the comic is fitting for getting the team back together as she is pretty much an all powerful alien being who got sick of Reed and his family traveling to different universes fixing shit. Sucks that Molecule Man has to die, but I guess it has to happen to show off how powerful the new villain is. And in the end the Fantastic Four is back together due to a gambit made by Reed that playsoff the new villain's ego. Oh and its not just Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben being back together but ALL of the people who were members of the team like Spider-Man, Ant Man, Luke Cage, Crystal, Black Panther, Storm, Ghost Rider, She Hulk, Ms. Marvel II, Iceman(?) . . . . I didn't know he was a member of the FF. Yeah I totally came at that moment.
  • Champions: An issue about shootings. I was a bit afraid this comic would either be extremely preachy in regards to gun control or fuck up its message like a certain run of Champions, but luckily Jim Zub handle this well and pretty much gave what might be the best use of Miles Morales. Seriously, this story would not be out of place in a classic Spiderman comic as it deals with how utterly human the hero (Miles) is and have to deal with the grieve of his own inability to save somebody (hell the cover itself was a good tribute to that infamous issue of Spider-Man which deals with the Death of Gwen Stacy). The message is also pretty good stating that in life we can't save everybody but we shouldn't let that fact stop us from continuing trying to protect people. This is definitely the second best Marvel story that deals with real life shootings (the first being the subplot from Netflix The Punisher involving that shell shocked war veteran). Can't wait for the next issue though; it will definitely be a well earned breather episode.
  • Iceman(yeah that's back): Even though it has the same writer of the previous run, I have to say it is a lot different from it. I do like how Iceman is portrayed in this book as having very funny and quippy dialogue like I always envisioned the character (now with open gayness) but still acts as a very competant (not to mention powerful) hero who has experienced with dealing with bad guys (like the Marauders who are basically doing another Mutant Massacre towards the Morlocks). The reveal at the end that Mister Sinister is behind it (again) and now takes an interest in Iceman really got me interested in this run, as well as Emma Frost showing up wanting to talk with Bobby. All things consider, I think this might be an even better sequel to the original Iceman solo. Thank you Weeaboo in Chief for bringing this back.

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Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 8:31:39 PM

TBH I feel like Champions could have had more to say about gun control. The only real social commentary was Riri's disgust at the fact that these events kept happening and no one making an effort to change them. Like even just something like a Repub going "oh we can't talk about gun control now that's disrespectful" and then getting punched for being stupid would have been nice.

However, it also was a one-off with a character focus on Miles, which he lacked for so long in Champions, and trying to make a wider point about gun control probably would have ended up swallowing the character moments.

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Moon Child
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:16:54 PM

[up] Not joke, are those actual arguments used to downplay gun control?

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Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:19:25 PM

Republicans saying that "now is not the time to talk about gun control" every time there's a mass shooting? Yes, absolutely.

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:21:25 PM

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I think having a strawman Republican being set up to be punched actually does more to hurt the argument, which can show a lack of civility. And I think people will think Riri was a jerk for it.

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I am going to be honest, I think the response a lot of pro-gun control people do can be obnoxiously opportunistic.

Edited by firewriter on Sep 13th 2018 at 9:23:14 AM

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Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:23:23 PM

I am unconcerned at best over the lack of civility against Republicans in this day and age.

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:26:11 PM

This is not a situation with Nazis, where there can be certain situations you can punch them. This is an opposite political opinion that some people have, and punching them for it is pretty petty. I am actually happy they didn't do that, because it makes the comic more nuance without them.

Edited by firewriter on Sep 13th 2018 at 9:28:00 AM

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Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:30:15 PM

Republicans stopped being a civil disagreement issue a long time ago, and that reached its zenith when a sociopathic orangutan was elected to the highest office of the land and did his ample best to fuck over the rest of the world to line the pockets of his rich buddies.

And you'll have to tell me what's "opportunistic" about talking about gun control when American children have an alarming tendency to be murdered in schools.

Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:35:27 PM

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:34:38 PM

I believe they handle the issue they way it was without it becoming an excuse to bash strawmans.

I do think some of these pro-gun control advocates can be pretty opportunistic, especially when they say that anti-gun control advocates would be for passing gun control if the victims were white and the shooter was a minority.

Since this going into more politics, than the comic let's keep on topic. The comic did well without resorting to many social commentary trappings, who make deliberately bad examples out of the oppositions to their stances. It just has the characters themselves think about the situation.

Changing it to something less flamebait.

Edited by firewriter on Sep 13th 2018 at 9:45:17 AM

Shonen Is Not Just For Boys, Even If Literally Means "Boy".
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:38:47 PM

I think it would be kinda hypocritical for Riri to advocate for gun control considering she wears a flying arsenal

Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:39:01 PM

How did you even type that without imploding in on yourself out of shame.

"Oh pro-gun advocates want white kids to be killed." Jesus Christ, dude. You get all your news from Alex Jones or something?

Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:40:08 PM

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:43:43 PM

I should have worded it better. Some advocates I hear say that some anti-gun control people would change their stances if white kids were the victims or the shooter was a person of color.

Shonen Is Not Just For Boys, Even If Literally Means "Boy".
Mr.Badguy Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:45:31 PM

I mean, you'd be surprised.

Back in the 60s the NRA helped set gun control laws in California specifically because black men were arming themselves.

More to the point the reason there's even a gun crisis in the States is because Republicans snub and suspend any attempt at legislation that could restrict access to firearms or improve certification because "muh gun rights."

Edited by Mr.Badguy on Sep 13th 2018 at 12:49:35 PM

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 9:52:17 PM

The NRA is different from what it was in the 60's. These days I don't see many anti-gun control people advocating taking minority guns away. Also funny enough there was a Republican who opposed the law that the NRA backed up.

The thing is as well how much of it is due to supposed lack of gun control seems to be something that is not always taken into consideration. And some gun control advocates can just go straight for scapegoating without any proof.

I believe ideally they didn't use strawmans to get their point across, and pro-gun control people should be thankful for that.

Edited by firewriter on Sep 13th 2018 at 10:00:30 AM

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Bocaj Funny, but not helpful from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny, but not helpful
Sep 13th 2018 at 10:04:56 PM

With the frequency of shootings these days I guess it will never be time to talk about it

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firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 10:13:02 PM

It's more reported than frequent. The news is now more up to date about these things than they were decades ago. If I were to talk about it, is that it would only affect past offenders instead of people who have never committed a crime in the past. And in California shootings we've seen a lot of cases in the latter.

Going from a fictional standpoint, the message of gun control could be muddled if you consider the advanced weaponry in the world of Marvel. Like does gun control also apply to the superheroes, or they have their own rules to apply by.

Edited by firewriter on Sep 13th 2018 at 10:14:25 AM

Shonen Is Not Just For Boys, Even If Literally Means "Boy".
Sep 13th 2018 at 10:48:07 PM

Part of it is Reed Richards Is Useless. They want to cover the school schooting issue, but not trivialize or go deeper into it to avoid alienating anyone, which is pretty much the issue with the mutant metaphor.

firewriter Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Bulla to Earthlings, Echalote to Saiyans.
Sep 13th 2018 at 10:54:00 PM

One explanation that could work for why the big weapons the heroes use couldn't get into the hands of the ordinary citizens is that they are heavily guarded.

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