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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#125301: Mar 20th 2023 at 5:39:36 PM

[up][up][up] Well yes Super Saiyan 2 still exists, I'm just saying that's not what Gohan used against Cell.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125302: Mar 20th 2023 at 5:44:00 PM

I agree (at least with the power of retcons - but its more like retconning a retcon in my view). Super Hero is putting right what the Buu Saga put wrong - That Gohan's power fighting Cell was Super Saiyan 2, rather then Gohan's own, unique hidden power that had been built up since Raditz. But now its okay for people to have their own Super transformations again, so Gohan can have it back.

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#125303: Mar 20th 2023 at 6:53:46 PM

In hindsight, that should have always been the explanation for Gohan's strength.

I've had an idea in my head for a while that SSJ 2 should've been something unique to Saiyan hybrids, while the equivalent power up for a full-blooded Saiyan would be SSJ 3.

Obviously, the names would've been different.

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#125304: Mar 20th 2023 at 7:14:30 PM

All I know is that nobody better fuck with Chi-Chi.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#125305: Mar 20th 2023 at 7:28:15 PM

Well, now that Beast has been confirmed to be a thing anyone could theoretically do, it'll be a matter of time before Heroes milks it to the extreme.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125306: Mar 20th 2023 at 9:07:33 PM

How canon is XV 2? I never knew that to be a thing to consider.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#125307: Mar 20th 2023 at 10:00:23 PM

Its not. Its part and parcel with Heroes.

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#125308: Mar 21st 2023 at 1:18:58 AM

Well yes Super Saiyan 2 still exists, I'm just saying that's not what Gohan used against Cell.

It's pretty convoluted to argue that Gohan was doing something different to what Goku and Vegeta did later despite them achieving their forms after seeing Gohan doing it, both gaining the same lightning aura, end up with a similar level of power as Gohan, and how both Gohan and Goku get spikier blonde hair from the transformation.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125309: Mar 21st 2023 at 7:08:30 AM

The argument is that originally, Gohan WASN'T using a new level of Super Saiyan; That the power he unlocked when fighting Cell was all Gohan. But then Dragon Ball kept going, and Gohan lost his protagonist spot, so it was retconned to be Super Saiyan 2, something not unique to him. With the hope being that now Beast Gohan is a make-good, them giving Gohan back that power that was supposed to be his own.

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#125310: Mar 21st 2023 at 7:50:25 AM

It was already under the qualifier of "Ascended form"...

It wasn't retconned into anything, it just got an actual name.

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#125312: Mar 21st 2023 at 11:24:40 AM

Or it was...what?

Like Super Vegeta or Super Trunks?

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125313: Mar 21st 2023 at 11:53:49 AM

"Or it was" a retcon. It feels retcon-y to me.

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#125314: Mar 21st 2023 at 4:51:55 PM

Trailer for the new Xenoverse 2 update, with Super Hero content.

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#125315: Mar 21st 2023 at 4:52:51 PM

Man this game is a stubborn little thing.

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#125316: Mar 21st 2023 at 5:28:24 PM

I'm not happy with Beast giving you Gohan's hair. Straight down to his cowlick.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#125317: Mar 21st 2023 at 5:57:09 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dimps was just being a bit lazy there. I do find it interesting that they added Beast before UI, also they should give Namekian CACs Piccolo's new forms.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#125318: Mar 21st 2023 at 7:08:42 PM

It's less lazy than what Xenoverse 2 normally does for SSJ hair...

It's more lazy than what The Breakers does for SSJ hair, which is less surprising.

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#125319: Mar 21st 2023 at 10:08:46 PM

I can't believe Xenoverse 2 lasted longer than Fighter Z.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#125320: Mar 21st 2023 at 10:37:21 PM

Arena fighters tend to have an easier time at implementing new characters than traditional fighters do, plus I'm pretty sure Arcsys is busy with other fighting games at the moment. As much as I would like for them to do more DLC or even a sequel, I kinda wanna see Arcsys dabble on a Jump crossover game. Aside from DB, they've also done work on One Piece and Fist of the North Star titles, so they got some material to work with. Plus, Spike's gonna be too busy working on the next Tenkaichi to do work on the next Jump crossover anyways.

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#125321: Mar 22nd 2023 at 1:04:13 AM

"Or it was" a retcon. It feels retcon-y to me.

There's absolutely no reason to think that.

Hell, we know it's not exclusive to Gohan even in the Cell Games because Cell undergoes a similar power-up and even compares it to Gohan's Super Saiyan 2! Cell doesn't have any of Gohan's cells, either.

Ever since Cell turned up the talk had been about the Saiyans finding a way to go beyond Super Saiyan, leading to the creation of Grade 2 and 3, as well as Super Saiyan Full Power. What Gohan achieves at the end of all that is the first true ascension past Super Saiyan.

There's never been any reason to think it's something other than a new Super Saiyan form.

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#125322: Mar 22nd 2023 at 4:15:49 AM

Trunks even said that Gohan managed to ascend correctly, as in being able to get more powerful without sacrificing any speed or vice versa.

I think people just assumed it was a power up exclusive to Gohan because it was explicitly tied to his rage boost, something that was exclusive to him at the time.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#125323: Mar 22nd 2023 at 4:33:37 AM

But combat geniuses Goku and Vegeta were watching, so they just figured it out after seeing it.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#125324: Mar 22nd 2023 at 5:02:15 AM

I mean, it tracks, that's what they always do.

They just never explained how they do it, so Cabba gets dunked on by weird internet people. tongue

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#125325: Mar 22nd 2023 at 5:11:16 AM

Vegeta also gets all of his power ups off screen, so that rings true for him.

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