Remember when they randomly taught about Japanese history?
I dunno if there was more footage saved, but I do remember when it originally aired, Vegeta was playing the roll of Nobunaga.
Whis first hints at Ultra Insinct during Resurrection F, where he says the ultimate goal for Goku and Vegeta should be to be able to fight with their bodies reacting independent of though, and at the same time notes that even Gods like Beerus can't easily learn this. So its not a God technique, and didn't come out of nowhere. In my opinion, up through the Tournament of Power, Ultra Instinct is fine.
The problem is the twists thr manga tried to add to it later. The implication that the "Mastered" Ultra Instinct is inferior to the incomplete version? That IS stupid. Ultra Instinct wasn't explained to be "The fighter doesn't think at all" it was "The fighter's body can react without thought, letting them focus on the other aspects of their power." (If I'm misunderstanding here, please feel free to correct me)
I still don't like it. Being less facetious, the idea of Goku just "learning to be do things instinctively" was introduced in the Cell Games. Sure it wasn't a literal fighting style but the idea of "relax, be calm, train your body to do things automatically" was already done. When they try it again as a literal fighting style that gods struggle to learn its not exciting to me.
- As far as I know it is a god technique. Only gods and Goku have it.
- It effectively came out of nowhere. Dragonball Super is way, way after the majority of the events of Dragonball the series. Goku wasn't joshing when he told Broly they fought many battles and in many of those battles, Goku has been in similar near-death situations but never unlocked Ultra Instinct. In the context of Super, yes, it was hinted at in Resurrection F, but prior to that, there was no possibility of "Goku breaking past his limit to unlock a higher state of instinct." If Goku almost died to a Spirit Bomb then he almost died to a Spirit Bomb.
Yes there's actual real-world martial arts theory behind it, but its still really out of place at this point in the franchise when Goku has studied with all of top-level masters in the setting. It'd be like if Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star found out at the end of the series that even the ultimate technique of Hokuto Shinken and all of his training fell flat because there's actually a higher level to the Hokuto Shinken he never knew about.
Its something Goku already attempted before and it feeds into Super's characterization of Goku as a rambunctious savant - Goku struggles because he doesn't think enough and Whis chastises him because he has to try "harder" to let his body "move on its own." The most humble man on Earth who has spent his entire life honing his body and mind still hasn't attained Ultra Instinct. Legit the first thing Goku did when he got back to Earth was block a sword effortlessly
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The anime's depiction of it repeats scenes of everyone oo'ing and aw'ing about why this form was so unique to Goku. The first use of UI was cool. Everything after felt gratuitous to me.
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I dont see the similaties either Yakuzu, you may want to explain why you feel that way. I am open to hearing your arguments.
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Goku has been learning to eliminate "wasted movement" as far back as when he first met Popo. Then Kami taught him how to do it better. Then King Kai scolded him for wasting movement, and taught him how to do it better. Then Grand Kai did the same. Then Whis.
Every trainer Goku has had tells him his technique is sloppy and he needs to refine it. Ultra Instinct looked like the culmination of all that. The final realization that Goku has finally achieved technique equal to the gods, after some 50 years in-universe and out.
But it turns out he's still wasting movement. Even when the technique transformation is supposed to be literal automatic movement, he's still somehow wasting movement.
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By itself, Ultra Instinct is great. One of the best transformations in the series after the original Super Saiyan.
It's just that with a power up like that, there's really nowhere to go, but money has to be made so by God they're going anyway.
Moving the focus away from Goku and Vegeta to the rest of the cast would've been a much better idea (something Toriyama himself realized, hence Super Hero), but suit execs aren't the sort that thinks of good ideas.
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Breaking it down, the Piccolo Jr and Vegeta fights feel like a mirror of each other. Depicting similar events, but with opposite themes and beats.
- Both fights have Goku powering up against a previous opponent. He takes off his weighted clothing against Tenshinhan, and he uses Kaioken against Nappa. The tone is completely opposite, Goku playfully embarrasses Tenshinhan by taking his belt, while he breaks Nappa's spine in a fit of rage.
- That power-up is important for the big fight. Goku is slightly stronger than Piccolo because he's not wearing weighted clothing, but he's weaker than Vegeta even with Kaioken, and he needs to use a higher level of Kaioken to overpower Vegeta.
- Goku and his opponent do a beam clash with Goku on the ground and his opponent in the air, in which Goku using a never-before-seen variant of the Kamehameha. Against Piccolo, Goku uses the Super Kamehameha and it's strong enough to win cleanly. Against Vegeta, Goku uses the Kaioken x3 Kamehameha, but it's not strong enough, so he needs to take it up to Kaioken x4 in order to win.
- Goku's opponent grows giant. Piccolo's extra size is a hindrance, it doesn't increase his strength or speed and Goku runs circles around him. Vegeta's Oozaru drastically increases his strength and speed and he beats the hell out of Goku.
- Goku is completely broken and unable to move on the ground. Against Piccolo, the other characters try to help but they're not strong enough, and Goku manages to still clutch out a solo win by flying. Against Vegeta, the other characters are strong enough to fight, and Goku can only help from the ground.
- Both opponents are hit by a homing sphere of ki that does a lot of damage. Piccolo is hit by his own homing energy blast and it destroys his arm, forcing him to regrow it. Vegeta is hit by the Spirit Bomb when Gohan bounces it back at him, and it blasts him into the sky.
- Both opponents look like they're defeated before getting up. Piccolo is blasted down into the ground by Goku's Kamehameha, but then he gets up and fires a mouth beam through Goku's shoulder. Vegeta is blasted up into the sky before landing, but then he gets up and hits everyone around him with a giant dome explosion.
- Piccolo also does a giant dome explosion, but it's right before he's knocked down, instead of after.
- Both fights end with the opponent getting hit by the full weight of an airborne opponent. Goku flies into Piccolo to beat him. Vegeta is taken down by Oozaru Gohan falling on him.
- After the fight, Goku lets his opponent escape. Piccolo can't move until Goku gives him a Senzu and lets him go. Vegeta can move, but Krillin is about to kill him before Goku tells him to let Vegeta go.
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So, pretty much nothing alike...
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Man, Future Gohan had a depressing life...
Still has both arms, huh.
Edited by LSBK on Mar 15th 2023 at 10:21:15 AM
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That was from 2007 tbf, they've started to lighten up on that. He has one arm in Legends and Kakarot, so we might actually get a proper design in Tenkaichi 4.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 15th 2023 at 11:25:37 AM
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I forgot...
The most wonderful thing to look forward to for Tenkaichi 4: Animated Cutscenes
It's weird how each game has less and less animated cutscenes, Tenkaichi 3 has none.
Tenkaichi 2 animates the fight of Goku vs. Vegeta and Vegeta vs. 18...but almost nothing else.
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It animated the Super Spirit Bomb.
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And Goku first going Super Saiyan, the Cell and Gohan final clash, and I want to say something from GT too?
Edit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClO7-mO1wac
Actually here's the compilation of scenes
Edited by TheMageofFire on Mar 16th 2023 at 4:16:32 AM
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Alright, I wasn't sure how much was animated in Tenkaichi 2.
Edited by randomness4 on Mar 16th 2023 at 7:36:08 AM
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Does Nozawa have any children, particularly daughters? When Chikao died before Kingdom Heart III was finished, they replaced him with his son. Granted, his son already did the younger versions of Xehanort in the Kingdom Hearts franchise, but he was certainly the closest thing they had.
Not every female in a bloodline can perfectly imitate a voice of their kin. And they would have to already be Voice Actresses.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I vaguely remember some sort of interview where Caulifla's VA did a pretty good Goku impression.
Wow! Yukana! I mostly know her as the really cute voiced Honoka from Pretty Cure... Whose Grandma is played by none other than Masako Nozawa herself. No accidents indeed.
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Yukana is Kale.
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Sometimes it's wild to remember that Goku and Bulma go way back the farthest
She's the closest he has to a big sister
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Do you really need to be an sarcastic about this?
No shit there are differences, I'm referring to the broadstrokes of the fight itself, not that they're literally 100%, exactly alike.
I didn't even think that would be a controversial statement.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 15th 2023 at 9:11:53 AM
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