Manga/Dragon Ball

Because Vegeta is doomed to never have a direction in life that's devoid of Goku.

Wait a minute, shouldn't Whis have been the one to teach Beerus his God of Destruction tricks?

Like I guess thats the question, what exactly did Whis teach him? Did Beerus had to reach a general level of power before Whis decided to teach him the Godly tricks or did he had to unlock it himself?

Hell Toppo can do the Hakai shit, was that taught to him by Vermoud or the Angel?

Ironically GT just had him comfortably retire into being a fulltime father to Bra.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 22nd 2021 at 2:49:22 AM

What a way to differentiate himself from that timeline’s Goku

Vegeta is one of the best parts of GT for a reason.

It should be noted that Manga Goku can also do Hakai.

So I sure hope that's not what Beerus is planning to teach Vegeta to differentiate him from Goku.

I mean, I kinda agree. Wasn't it already stated that Vegeta overthinks things. I don't think he has the right mentality for UI.

That being said, everyone else is right that Vegeta refusing the training because Goku is doing it is dumb. That's because Whis' training is superior to anything that Beerus could offer, solely because Whis is more powerful than Beerus, which has always been the defining trait of everything in DB. Higher power level means better in every single way.

It's a waste of time for Vegeta to train with Beerus, because anything Beerus could teach him is inferior to everything Whis will teach Goku.

It's far too late to say otherwise, and it's a mistake to try and do this now like this.

Chances are whatever Beerus teaches Geets will be along the fields of "Hit hard" & "generates big explosions", both of which is already his thing.

At least UI provides a genuine utilitarian boost, I don't see what Beerus could teach Vegeta that in concept he already couldn't do before.

Also, just as an aside, it's funny that even though they're trying to differentiate Vegeta, his new abilities still wind up giving us climactic moments of awesome like "Vegeta makes a Spirit Bomb!"

That, uh, that sure is some character differentiation.

I just hope it's something we've seen Beerus use before, recontextualized, not something pulled out of thin air that makes no sense he's never used previously.

Here's a theory I've had for a while now: Vegeta in the anime unlocked Super Saiyan God between the Tournament of Power and DBS Broly. That's why he does so much worse against Rage Broly in the form than Goku does: he's not used to it. The director said he wanted to portray Super Saiyan God as having a more counter-heavy fighting style than Super Saiyan Blue, which bowls the opponent over with sheer strength. While we see that reflected in how SSG Goku fights, we don't see that from SSG Vegeta, who tries to bowl Broly over with sheer strength, implying he's not used to the form and what its strengths and weaknesses are.

I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan God is a prerequisite for Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, also known as Super Saiyan Blue.

I mean, I'd think I'd prefer it if they both learned all the things, but the characters just express that one or the other method comes more naturally to them.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jan 22nd 2021 at 7:21:49 AM

really i think Super needs to pull a GT and get completely wiped off in favor of a newer, fresher canon with a new super saiyan form exclusive to that timeline

call it super saiyan, uh, alpha or whatever. start a new naming scheme.

Edited by EpicBleye on Jan 22nd 2021 at 7:24:20 AM

Yet another reboot would be a rather dumb move at this point.

Especially since Super is liked by the general public.

An I the only one optimistic about this, thinking that Vegeta could still get something that's on par, even if a weaker fighter shows it to him? Is the Mafuuba not worth learning because Roshi and Piccolo know it? Or the Solar Flare because Krillin and Tien did it?

Look, I get that the "Goku cooties" thing is holding Vegeta back. He could have had Instant Transmission and made it a part of his repertoire. He only used it once because he thought it was an emergency (it was); his refusal to keep practicing it right now is just stubborn. It doesn't even have drawbacks as an excuse like Kaioken does.

UI still could have drawbacks. Your body moving without you thinking also has a stamina problem, since it's like running a mile before your mind can tell your body to chill already. Not to mention collateral damage. If you just react without thinking, maybe you could attack someone without meaning to. (Do you feel worried about Chichi yet?) So I'm on board with Vegeta not getting UI, since it could actually be a poor fit for his personality or fighting style. Let a non-Saiyan like Piccolo have it.

Maybe whatever it is will seem like a butt pull if Beerus hasn't used it before, but the guy's been around the block a couple million years, probably even before he was selected. I'm sure he's picked up lots of stuff that he's just been too lazy to use. And of course the direct invitation to steal techniques shows that Beerus knows Vegeta's character type better than Whis does. In that way, Beerus can be a better teacher in terms of mentality, strategy or practice exercises. Or he just has a favorite black hole he trains at. Either way, Vegeta is guaranteed to pick something, because Beerus outright removed stubbornness as an excuse.

Just a reminder that this is Dragon Ball and that diversity of techniques isn't exactly a thing.

And we already went through this shit last arc with Vegeta learning a new technique. It ended with human using Instant Transmission and his much hyped new move ending him being a glorified battery for Goku.

I mean I’m not opposed to Vegeta focusing on all the other divine shit while Goku keeps on improving Ultra Instinct. It’s just that I know that no matter what he does he ain’t going to ever be on Goku’s level again without the plot contriving a way for him to still end up as second banana.

What annoys me is that Beerus says that Gods of Destruction don't use Ultra Instinct when WE'VE LITERALLY SEEN BEERUS USE ULTRA INSTINCT. Only in the manga and only a much weaker version than what Goku uses, but he used it for a short time when fighting the other Gods of Destruction in that battle royal that replaced the U7/U9 Zen Exhibition Match.

Well he’s the exception rather than the rule when it comes to that.

But HE'S the one SAYING IT!

Beerus: "Us Gods of Destruction aren't really calm-hearted enough to use Ultra Instinct. Except for me, I'm built different."

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 22nd 2021 at 5:56:41 AM

funny, I don't remember the last part being in the translation I read.

Yeah I don't mind being told that UI isn't a GOD thing because the expedition match really made it seem like only Beerus was a UI user among the gods.

However, I don't see what Beerus could have that is going to fit what we've seen the other GODs do. Admittedly, we haven't seen them do much, but I feel like whatever Vegeta gets is going to be pretty flashy and its going to feel pretty weird.

It's kind of late to introduce a new thing like that.

I don't mind Vegeta not learning UI, though, and deciding the technique isn't for him. It's more interesting then him just getting the power-up later. And I don't think Beerus being inferior to Whis is such a mark against Vegeta training with him - it doesn't necessarily mean the technique is inferior.

The only thing that makes sense to me for Beerus to teach Vegeta is Hakai, used as an aura and fighting style the way we've seen Top do in the anime... except manga Goku can also use Hakai, he learned it from seeing Beerus do it... which he wasn't present for and didn't see in the manga. And after the Future Trunks arc, Goku knowing Hakai has never come up again.

It is almost certainly not hakai, as Vegeta knows hakai exists and it's not a mystery technique.

Anime Toppo's Hakai aura maybe.

Edited by alekos23 on Jan 22nd 2021 at 3:13:11 PM