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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#111301: Oct 16th 2019 at 2:05:07 PM

Has anybody tried to burn Luke Cage alive? Or asleep?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#111302: Oct 16th 2019 at 2:06:45 PM

Unbreakable skin means unburnable skin, too. He's held an exploding grenade in his hands and it did nothing.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 16th 2019 at 2:06:53 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#111303: Oct 16th 2019 at 2:10:00 PM

I think Mariah suggested it.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#111304: Oct 16th 2019 at 2:14:25 PM

Kilgrave tried to explode Luke. He walked out of the explosion on fire but unhurt.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#111306: Oct 16th 2019 at 3:13:22 PM

Well, we will still be getting R-Rated Deadpool films:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3rd2QHDJZC/?utm_source=ig_embed

Though I wonder if they'll somehow keep the continuity of the first two or make a brand new canon for the character.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#111307: Oct 16th 2019 at 3:17:31 PM

Due to how Deadpool is, they can easily keep things as is and just replace the references they don't need anymore.

He did reference both X-Men timelines. And the MCU. And DC too.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#111308: Oct 16th 2019 at 3:25:41 PM

If Deadpool doesn't call out the shift of ownership, I'll be very disappointed.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#111309: Oct 16th 2019 at 3:26:41 PM

I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t brag about Dark Phoenix being the franchise’s death kneel yet he’s still kicking all the more successful.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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The King Without a Kingdom
#111310: Oct 16th 2019 at 4:25:27 PM

I’d love a subtle background gag in a cemetery where one of the headstones is Laura’s X from the end of Logan.

It's been 3000 years…
J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#111311: Oct 16th 2019 at 4:46:17 PM

[up][up][up] Didnt he bring up the Fox/Disney merger in Once Upon A Deadpool?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#111312: Oct 16th 2019 at 4:54:54 PM

> I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t brag about Dark Phoenix being the franchise’s death kneel yet he’s still kicking all the more successful.

if he does that and they cut to a scene of Jean Grey sobbing "they ruined my character arc!"

New theme music also a box
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#111313: Oct 16th 2019 at 5:17:48 PM

Unbreakable skin means unburnable skin, too. He's held an exploding grenade in his hands and it did nothing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a grenade's main way of killing a person is through the explosion that tears away limbs and the shrapnel that gets all up in your grill. Is there a heat flash with a recorded temperature I'm unaware of?

Now, his skin is invulnerable (which probably means his epidermis counts as well) and my brief research tells me that degree burns are determined by the depth of the burn from first-degree burns, which only damage the epidermis, to fourth-degree burns, which goes through the skin, taking away fat, muscle and sometimes bone.

Now, while his skin is off the table for "things that could be hurt", he's not invincible. As Jessica Jones showed, his insides are still as vulnerable as the next person's, considering he needed medical attention after a point-blank shotgun blast to the head. While his skin can't be broken, it can still take in sensory information and register impacts.

I'm curious: asphyxiation, shock, hypothermia (I guess)- how likely are these scenarios to kill him?

Fun fact: the leading cause of death by burn injuries is sepsis.

Edited by fredhot16 on Oct 16th 2019 at 5:31:40 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#111314: Oct 16th 2019 at 6:46:44 PM

@alliterator and @frehot

Unbreakable skin doesn't automatically mean un-burnable skin. There are materials that are both strong and flammable.

Having said that, being able to take a direct hit from a grenade explosion implies that his skin is also pretty fireproof. While grenades mostly kill using shrapnel, grenade explosions do produce enough heat to severely injure someone (they're about 690 F or 365 C).

Mind you, that would be a quick "flash" of heat rather than something sustained. I haven't seen the show, but I would still argue that incendiary weapons would be a good choice for a weapon to kill Cage with, particularly napalm or white phosphorus.

Particularly, I would suggest using one to suffocate him or destroy his lungs. Just because his skin is fireproof doesn't mean his lungs are, and if he's inhaling fire then he's probably gonna die. Indeed, I would say a cool moment you could have is him having to cover his nose and eyes and run through a burning building to do something while holding his breathe and unable to see.

Plus, if it's hot enough, it might burn his organs beneath his skin, depending on how his skin works.

Another good option would be chemical and radiological weapons. A nerve gas that can go through skin, for example.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#111315: Oct 16th 2019 at 6:52:50 PM

Again, we literally see him survive a bar-consuming fireball of an explosion and walk out on fire but completely unharmed save for his charred clothes.

The palm grenade doesn't really prove anything we didn't already know about his fire-resistance.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111316: Oct 16th 2019 at 6:54:22 PM

Asphyxiation would certainly kill him. Heck, it would even kill Wolverine — a Healing Factor does jack shit against oxygen deprivation.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#111317: Oct 16th 2019 at 6:55:25 PM

Man still needs to breathe so of course that's gonna kill him.

He's indestructible, not immortal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#111318: Oct 16th 2019 at 7:52:09 PM

He can certainly drown, that's for sure.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111319: Oct 16th 2019 at 7:56:21 PM

Honestly, there are a lot of ways to get around unbreakable skin. It's just that most of them are well beyond the means of the level of foes Luke Cage usually faces. Though to his credit Luke certainly isn't afraid to fight foes who are a serious threat to him.

I still look back fondly on the story in the comics when he beat the crap out of Doctor Doom because Doom stiffed him on $200.

Edited by M84 on Oct 16th 2019 at 10:59:20 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Brandon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#111320: Oct 16th 2019 at 7:59:56 PM

Is Ryan Reynolds still Deadpool?

With all the memes about women choosing a bear over a man, Hollywood might wanna get on an 'East of the Sun and West of the Moon' adaptation
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111321: Oct 16th 2019 at 8:01:35 PM

Of course not. Deadpool already killed Ryan Reynolds.

Bu in all seriousness, there's no reliable news confirming that he'll be playing Deadpool again in an MCU movie yet.

Edited by M84 on Oct 16th 2019 at 11:02:51 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#111322: Oct 16th 2019 at 8:02:18 PM

[up][up] No one's said anything about it, but we're all thinking Ryan's going nowhere.

He's Deadpool, just like how J.K. Simmons is J. Jonah Jameson.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 16th 2019 at 11:02:41 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#111323: Oct 16th 2019 at 8:03:49 PM

There's at least one news story claiming that he will, but it's from a really unreliable (and fascist) source.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#111324: Oct 16th 2019 at 8:06:06 PM

I wonder if he would have made a good Hal Jordan if he was given some better material.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Ordinary Corrupt Android Love Since: Oct, 2018
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
#111325: Oct 16th 2019 at 8:16:11 PM

[up][up][up][up]The jokes about Deadpool using time travel to go back and undo/fix scenes we don't like write themselves.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 16th 2019 at 8:16:22 AM

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