Marvel Cinematic Universe

They probably won't average over a billion, though. The fastest way to get there would be to have the next two films gross a combined $4.5 billion. While Endgame may be able to get half of that, none of the other top earners (Avengers 1 at 1.51, Age of Ultron at 1.4, and Black Panther at 1.34) suggest the gap will be closed that quickly.

Alternatively, they'd need a string of about a dozen movies each grossing over 1.1 billion. Since there have been only 7 MCU films so far to beat 1 billion, that's a big ask.

Still, phenomenally impressive overall.

Well, most of the stand-alone movies which did were recent ones, so who knows.

~Swanpride: I read your entire article and I very much agree with it. I'm going to send you a private message about it.

Read it too. I agree overall, and I found it actually very enlightening on many levels. Congratulations^^ I really hope you're right about the Anti-SJW's failure, though, because sadly they're good at making it sound like more people agree with them.

I'm sure he is.

Anything that defies that bunch is a good thing.

Pretty sure Swanpride is female.

Anyway, solid article. I'm not sure what to add that other, more qualified people could/have aside from how I think CM's success is great for the genre, especially when it's such a much-needed kick up the ass for said genre in terms of writing women.

Whoops.

Well, my statement still stands.

Well at leasts i'm not the only one that uses "he" to refer to others in the internet. Meh, I'll just blame avatars

Soooo....are there any leaks regarding Endgame? Other than some old photo shoots that got leaked last year.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Apr 7th 2019 at 11:34:46 AM

There's a description of the opening scene floating around but that was shown to the press and thus, arguably isn't a leak.

Beyond that there won't be anything concrete until the world premiere.

Edited by LordVatek on Apr 7th 2019 at 10:42:11 AM

Why would you go looking for leaks now? The movie's coming out soon anyway.

You know, I deliberate use an avatar featuring a female face to make the fact that I am female a little bit more visible

The funny thing is, there is at least one area on the internet where everyone automatically assumes that you are female, and that is between fanfiction writers. As soon as you write essays though, suddenly everyone assumes that you are male....

I think someone else might have underpinned my observations with some studies about the subject. Or with some revolutionary new idea. While I think that I brought up some points most reviewers clearly missed regarding Captain Marvel, what I said about Anti-SJ Ws isn't really that hard to miss nowadays. Well, other than perhaps the box office numbers of Ghostbusters 2016. I don't think that anyone ever went so far to question the viability of the franchise.

Anyway, I think that you can trust that the influence of the Anti-SJ Ws is way, way smaller than they think, at least regarding the actual box office of the movies. They still worry me, because you often find their talking points at unexpected places.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 7th 2019 at 8:15:59 AM

I think your essay was great and, unfortunately, extremely relevant. I was actually watching this video before I read your essay and dear god, some of the things that anti-SJWs try to say about Captain Marvel are either objectively stupid or incredibly sexist and I have no idea why they cannot see it — or, if they do see it, they see nothing wrong with it. To them, "sexism" isn't a thing — god, there was a moment in that video where, seriously, one guy tried to argue that women have never been discriminated against. And I'm not sure if he seriously believed it or not.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 7th 2019 at 8:51:05 AM

Honestly, in my experience those people either have serious hang-ups about themselves, women, or both. It's not about "facts' and never was, only their "emotional truth" matters.

What bothers me is less their material effect on the movie and more that they poison the discourse for everyone and make it way more difficult than necessary to have conversations, as well as often harassing film staff and making their lives miserable.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Apr 7th 2019 at 11:55:34 AM

I agree. Like I pointed out in the article, I am less concerned about the effect on the box office because I honestly don't think that all this nonsense has really that much of an impact anyway. Plus, I am not that worried about the revenue of multi-million-dollar corporations. It is interesting to follow the box office of movies, but I have hardly sleepless nights over it, especially not now, that the studios and the big brands have already decided that diversity sells. And I am sure, they did their market research and are able to read society better than some people in the internet. I am more concerned about this being an entry to some really toxic ideas, and about the bullying females have to endure as a result.

Depressingly, two of the most vocal detractors of Captain Marvel are female, and it is kind of shocking what kind of ideas they support. It is also a little bit depressing how often I had to explain in the last two weeks why telling a women to smile is a micro-aggression (I honestly thought that Jessica Jones had put this point across already), and why saying that "Yon-Rogg is right that one shouldn't be emotional in a military setting" is REALLY missing the point of the scene in question.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 7th 2019 at 9:56:51 AM

The fact people tried to take the defense of that guy telling Carol to smile baffles me. I mean, I do not know what they saw in that scene, but to me it was just some jackass talking to a complete stranger in a familiar way and cracking a bad joke at her; I am male, and even I would find this uncomfortable if someone talked to me like this. As far as I am concerned, Carol's reaction was perfectly normal.

I admit I didn't realize the creepy undertones behind it until Swanpride pointed them out, though. On a note, funny how nobody complained about Jessica Jones not smiling when she is pretty much grumpy most of the show. I guess she was on a live action series so they didn't pay as much attention?

Edited by Theokal3 on Apr 8th 2019 at 9:44:48 PM

Did people really not see why someone asking a complete stranger who is minding her own business to smile is really fucking inappropriate?

Well, her character is pretty much to be grumpy, and after season 1 aired, you would have to be really stupid to say that she should smile more. After all, who wants to sound like Kilgrave?

But mostly, there was less of an interest in sinking the show. It didn't draw as much attention.

Apparently not.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:22:30 PM

You guys are talking about the guy Carol stole the bike from right?

Yes, that's the one.

Okay, yeah that guy was a fucking jackass.

There are people who think that telling a woman to smile is "being nice." Just watch this video and see all the comments the woman got when she told her story about a cashier telling her to smile.

I wonder how those men would feel when they were randomly told to smile by strangers. Especially if they are simply not in the mood.

Also, when you listen to people describing this scene, they try to make it sound like the guy was nice to Carol somehow. In the actual scene, he cracks a bad joke about her suit, she reacts with ignoring him (which again, I feel is the appropriate way to react when a jackass bothers you like this, regardless of your gender), then he groans "Would a smile really kill you?" as if he was unhappy she didn't find his joke funny. How exactly is that nice behaviour?

Only explanation I could find would be that they actually behaved like this with women and felt targeted by that kind of scene.

What annoys me is that this scene and the cockpit moment are often described as "the movie having an agenda" or, maybe worse, "the only moments when the agenda shines through". Which...yes, the movie has an agenda, and I approve of said agenda, so how is that a bad thing and if you really think that only this scenes have anything to do with said agenda, you really, really didn't pay attention.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 8th 2019 at 1:20:46 AM

Ah, yes, I heard about the "cockpit" scene before seeing the movie actually. Some idiot was giving it as an example of the movie being anti-male... I don't get it. Yes, the character delivering this line was blatantly sexist... so? That's just the movie acknowledging sexism exists (which is true, especially in the early 90s), not that all men are sexists. God can people be dumb sometimes!