Marvel Cinematic Universe

Politics are just never fun.

You're allowed to hold whatever opinions you want. You can even express them in the proper contexts and settings.

What you've specifically been told not to do is pop into threads just to post a shit-stirring video or article, again apropos of nothing.

That's the last I'll say on the matter, though. It's for moderators to sort out if it persists.

You can't be critical of the film just yet, because it hasn't been released. And if you are critical about Brie Larson, it is extremely hypocritical, considering that Chris Evans is constantly posing "leftist" ideas and is openly opposing Trump and oh wonder, he doesn't get attacked. Not to mention that what Gwyneth Paltrow is up to is way more questionable than having a political opinion, and we never discussed this here either. Because it doesn't matter, they are actors, what they do will only impact the movie if they abuse drugs or alcohol during filming or if they harass their co-stars one way or another.

Look, I have made the mistake of watching one of those videos. I ended up getting floated by videos about how terrible Brie Larson is and that Captain Marvel will bomb for sure for weeks after. Most of those videos are from the same 5 youtuber who are just obsessed with wanting this movie to fail.

It is just BS. We can discuss the movie when people have actually seen it. Until then we know for sure that it will most likely be financially successful, it being one of the most anticipated movies of the year, and part of the MCU. Jury about its quality is naturally out until we have seen it, but at this point we have little reason to think that Marvel suddenly fails creating a pleasing blockbuster.

Btw, Brie Larson is maybe the most talented actress currently working.

I will love Brie Larson always for this song:

Also, the same people saying that Captain Marvel is going to bomb are the same people who said that Black Panther was going to bomb, despite all the evidence to the contrary. And yes, there is evidence to the contrary for CM.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:55:28 PM

While I'm personally not super excited for it the promotion for it isn't exactly doing anything wrong either. Marvel hype is still going strong and this is no different.

Wait….that's her too?

She truly is a female Gary Oldman.

and wow, she can sing, too?

Now I want an Avengers Musical even more! DO IT DISNEY!

Regarding the marketing: I can get the case that the first two trailers weren't particularly exciting. that's because they were mostly info-dumbs so that the general audience get an idea what they were getting. But the most recent ones? Higher, further, faster? The Bwääääääh!!! attack which immediately became a meme? Her punching a freaking plane?

You can't tell me that people who are into this kind of thing won't be excited about stuff like this.

> Politics are just never fun.

Oh I disagree,politics can be bags of fun depending on the topic

The first trailer got me so excited that I was ready to see the movie on the spot. I really wonder about the standards people apply to these things sometimes.

Politics can be a lot of fun at the moment. What is going on in the US and the UK is pure satire, Monty Python would consider it too unrealistic. When the harsh reality of the consequences interrupt my amusement, I can always laugh about people being bend out of shape over a freaking movie. Right wingers are truly the worst snow flakes.

Anyway, I liked the first trailer too, but I get that some people weren't jumping on a trailer which wasn't packed with a catchy pop song and silly jokes.

Everything is political. Always. Because when we say "political" in this context, what we really mean is "cultural". And every piece of media contributes to culture.

Captain Marvel is not political, in the sense that neither the film nor anybody involved is running for public office. But it is a step forward in a cultural revolution which has been going for some time, in which white men's privilege of majority representation is being steadily eroded for the sake of giving everyone else a fair shake.

And there are many white men pushing back against this. Representation is a culture war that springs up every single time a movie starring women or minorities comes into existence.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 18th 2019 at 8:48:36 AM

Oh, I hope that Captain Marvel actually is political in more than one sense. I really want to see the war by proxy aspect being explored properly.

And yes, there is a cultural war going on, but I think in a world in which Disney organises a gay pride parade in one of their parks, I think we can safely say that those right-wingers are whining over a cultural shift which is already happening, and that in the larger scheme of things, actual policies are the more important battle field.

And don't get me wrong here: examining the cultural impact of movies is important. Trying to sink a movie before it even got released or got reviewed is not, it's just pathetic.

As expected Punisher and Jessica Jones are canceled by Netflix[1]

I disagre a lit bit with this of "everything is political" for a moment, when people think of this is that every work of fiction make statements about something of today, which is not true in general, that they have political elements is another.

just a peevee oh mine.

No surprise there...I guess I should continue to work on my article about the rise of the Netflix shows and why I am actually kind of glad that they end...for now.

I'm hearing that initial reactions from Captain Marvel will be coming out tomorrow. The review embargo will still be in effect, but at least we'll know if critics generally like the movie or not.

The mere fact they are even having test screenings a full two weeks and change before the movie is released does feel promising however. Or at least it's not a bad sign, which is what it would be if they were holding off on test screenings until a few days before the movie was released to the general public.

Of course they're confident. It's an MCU movie. It's got a license to print money. That's exactly why the MCU should have been taking the "risk" of making movies with heroes who don't meet the White Male Default long before now.

Even f*cking Ant-Man made half a billion dollars. Ant-Man!

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 18th 2019 at 9:02:45 AM

I mean is there any character or group in the comics they could make a movie of that wouldn't sell at this point?

Like I even think an Inhumans movie would do decently.

Edited by LordVatek on Feb 18th 2019 at 11:06:44 AM

They made a movie starring a talking tree & raccoon, they can do anything at this point.

To say a woman can’t handle leading a movie when we already have Rocket & Groot is insanity.

.......... What’s the most offensive character in Marvel history?

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 18th 2019 at 8:07:00 AM

...Probably some racist caricature from the Golden Age?

...Marcus.

M'Baku's original depiction in the comics is probably at least in the discussion.

Of course. I mostly made my post to just let people know that the social media embargo is lifting and things are still rolling along as expected.

In other news currently the movie is tracking for a 120 million opening weekend, which puts it in the same neighborhood as Spider-Man: Homecoming.

There was Iron Man's first villain, Wong Chu.

Complete with third-person speaking and racist stereotype so offensive that it's no wonder they revamped Iron Man's origin story to have villains with less defined motives beyond power grab for the fictional Ten Rings.

Whitewash Jones?

Then again, they did redo him later to make him significantly less of a horrible racist pile of trash, with a lot of Self Deprecation involved to boot.

One could say they whitewashed him.