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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96876: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:35:20 PM

if only because of the way Brie Larson has been using the film to virtue signal non-stop

Oh no, how dare a celebrity being granted public influence use it to help reporters of color and school children.

and all of her comments regarding white men

White dudes will be fine. They survived the Great War of Wonder Woman Banning All Men From All Theaters. They survived The Scandal of Brie Not Clapping For A White Man Because He's An Abuser. They can survive this. I believe in them.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:37:47 AM

AyyItsMidnight Ordinary Corrupt Android Love Since: Oct, 2018
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
#96877: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:36:54 PM

[up][up]...No.

Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#96878: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:38:54 PM

Even then white men are currently in the Great War Of Harassing And Sending Death Threats To Two Voice Actresses And Cons for Ousting A Voice Actor For Decades Of Harassment.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:39:18 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#96879: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:55:38 PM

No, I will NOT watch that video but I and other people can still criticise your point, because we have heard this bullshit countless time before.

Knock it off, dude.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96880: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:57:33 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#96881: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:58:08 PM

LDragon2, you've been cautioned many times about coming into threads just to doomsay.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96882: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:02:02 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#96883: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:02:36 AM

[up][up][up] A lot are basically harassing & sending death threats to them though.

I think they outnumber the people asking for more than just claims.

Even then if someone’s racked up 20 years worth of allegations & general negative opinions from people, there’s prolly a nugget of truth there.

Though that’s beside the point.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:03:32 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Ordinary Corrupt Android Love Since: Oct, 2018
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
#96884: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:07:10 AM

I'm a filthy white boy and I'd like to think my kind deserves a sizable chunk of the mockery and flack that we get, to be frank. Let Brie and co. have this.

I won't rag on you for not caring much for CM, but your mentality here is...not a very good look.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:07:36 PM

Self-serious autistic metalhead who goes by any pronouns. (avvie template source)
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96885: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:07:14 AM

while some white men are indeed bigoted, others just don't like being constantly told that they are complete ***holes and are being shamed for their skin color and gender

Brie Larson said nothing of the sort.

Larson: "Am I saying I hate white dudes? No I'm not. But if you make the movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie and review your movie."

Her statements about the majority of critic and publicity spaces being comprised of white men isn't aimed at forcing out them. It's aimed at herself to create more open spaces with the privilege she's been afforded.

Larson: "I want to go out of my way to connect the dots. It just took me using the power that I’ve been given now as Captain Marvel. [The role] comes with all these privileges and powers that make me feel uncomfortable because I don’t really need them. It’s a by-product of the profession and a sign of the times. But any uncomfortableness I feel is balanced by the knowledge that it gives me the ability to advocate for myself and others."

Sounds a lot like With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:08:37 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#96886: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:08:19 AM

Larson can't keep her mouth shut in terms of pushing her extremely leftist activism and her attacking people who aren't a minority.

Yeah, there's no point arguing with you. I don't need to hear any more.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96887: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:10:42 AM

when Larson can't keep her mouth shut in terms of pushing her extremely leftist activism

Bahaha, it's not even leftist. It's intersectionality 101. It's just left out of center.

and her attacking people who aren't a minority.

...so attacking minorities is better than attacking majorities?

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:10:57 PM

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96888: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:12:20 AM

It's best if you don't attack any demographic, be it majority or minority. Especially ones who make up a bulk of the paying audience.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96889: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:14:17 AM

Also, "virtue signaling" is a phrase that is, essentially, used by people who don't like to be criticized for the things they say. You want to know what it means? Here, watch this video:

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#96890: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:15:51 AM

And this is why I don’t like politics, it gets ugly.

At least with Thanos his views are fucking nonsense so we can all agree he’s just out of it

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96891: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:16:13 AM

People have been trying to get those who advocate positive social change to "keep their mouth shut" for a long, long time, and it's always given me a little more faith in the world that those people can still be summarily ignored.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:17:43 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#96892: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:17:38 AM

LDragon2, you've done this many times before, coming into a thread apropos of nothing and dropping a link to some doomsaying or negative article/video just to stir up an argument.

You were also specifically told to knock it off by the site moderators, if I'm not mistaken.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 18th 2019 at 3:18:18 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96893: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:18:16 AM

It's best if you don't attack any demographic, be it majority or minority. Especially ones who make up a bulk of the paying audience.

Well she didn’t. She was talking about spaces of only white film critics.

I seem to recall most of these “stop virtue signaling” blokes not being particularly fond of critics.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#96894: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:19:40 AM

[up][up]I have already sent a holler to the mods. Hopefully this'll get sorted out.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96895: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:23:46 AM

So I'm not allowed to be critical of Larson or the film then?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96896: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:25:59 AM

The film hasn't come out yet, so any criticism of it would be premature at best. And your criticism of Larson herself is so full of faults, it's just...silly at this point.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#96897: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:27:16 AM

[up][up] If your "criticism" had basis in reality, sure. But as this entire page has shown, much of what you say is built upon accusations that aren't actually true, misuse of phrases you don't actually understand, and general aggressiveness that isn't actually warranted.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:29:05 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#96898: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:27:55 AM

Not to mention, as others have said, L Dragon 2, you have done this sort of things many times before. Just drop some links into a thread out of nowhere and try to raise controversies.

Edited by Nightwire on Feb 18th 2019 at 12:28:35 PM

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96899: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:29:06 AM

I take it I'm not welcome here.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#96900: Feb 18th 2019 at 12:30:04 AM

Only so long as you continue to engage in the same behavior that the mods have already warned you to stop doing.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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